Angel and Giovanna - Verdades Secretas (Brazilian tv show)

[Guest]

Also Rodrigo Lombardi is gonna be like 50 when he films, he’s old now and a lot of straight women won’t find him as attractive anyway

(Speaking of straight women, it has been hilarious to see on twitter them reacting to Camila and Agatha’s scene and suddenly be like, “why am I questioning my sexuality”?

[Guest]

Do you think they are gonna keep going with Cristiano and Angel next season? hope there won’t be love triangle anymore.

I genuinely haven't seen anyone ship them together (even Alex/Angel used to have some shippers no matter how disgusting that is) and I think overall Cristiano was a big flop as a character. Maybe he'll get killed.

Unfortunately I do see Angel getting involved with Alex again because the head writer was disgusting enough to bring him back so the sky is the limit for that man. I just want to know if he's gonna drop Angel/Giovanna and use Angel's "betrayal" as an excuse even though a lot of man got disappointed with her and still came back for more. So we'll see. I really think there might be a love triangle between Angel, Alex and Giovanna. That would be.... right up Walcy's alley.

Love triangle between dad and two step sisters

Can't imagine old Giovanna wanting to even touch Angel if she had slept with him now.
She wasn't making any move on her while she was with Alex and than her cousin only despised Angel for that trying destroy her and left to Paris only got back when said cousin bite dust and Angel was alone. That would be out of character but guess they won't care and do that anyway.

DA Nope, the opposite will happen imo. Giovanna will become even more obsessed if she knows Angel sleeps again with Alex. She knows that if that happens, it’s because of the abuse Angel suffered, and I think Giovanna would actually kill her Dad in her heartbeat to be with Angel if it gets to that point.

To the other anon - I can’t see him drop Angel and Giovanna at all. The 3rd season will be about Angel-Giovanna-Alex, and the fucking mess of the situation. And it can never end with Alex being alive or winning Angel. It will end with Angel and Giovanna surviving and being together or it will end with them being together but one of them getting killed in the end. But Angel and Giovanna is what most people wanna see now. The overwhelming response that I’ve seen to Alex coming back has been negative.

Can't help but wonder how they would end this season if not mess with actress. Perhaps Camila leaving saved both Angel and Giovanna lifes or that relationship but from other hand those two got longest and most tender/explict sex scene so who knows

[Guest]

This is mu opinion about 3rd season:

Walcyr should understand the real harm it would cause to rape victims and women who have suffered abuse to see Angel having something with Alex again. But I think that if Alex is back for good, I see her sleeping with him in order to save her life or in order to manipulate him to kill him again or indeed because the abuse and grooming was so powerful that she might still be messed up in the head when it comes to it. But even if they have sex, she will not really be with him lovingly. I think that she and Giovanna will continue to be obsessed with each other, bickering and trying to hurt each other, but the love will be between them, and I see them having angry, hot sex in some crazy intense situations in the middle of really bad fights, and at some point they will give in to their actual love, team up and I think this time it will actually be Giovanna that kills her father.

Or Angel in defense of Giovanna...but fuck why woman in this show can't kill men properly for good. Could also see Giovanna hooking up with someone just to hurt Angel or try make her jealous. This show is full of sex scenes.

[Guest]

Their whole sex scene from beginning to end is in this twitter thread

What are they saying here?

A: I’ve always thought you hated me.
G: No… It was always love.

I guess in Portuguese you use “love” also as like when you have romantic feelings for someone, even if those feelings make you do crazy shit against the person you love. She is basically saying that she was in love with Angel, but couldn’t stand not having her while other men (especially Giovanna’s father) were having her (and then being murdered by Angel ).

Angel is scared of Giovanna, but if I were Giovanna, I would be scared as shit of Angel, the woman has killed or tried to kill all her lovers (not that I blame her tbh, all of them hurt her in unspeakable ways)

Angel face when Giovanna confessed her love for her She didn't seems to be surprised or shocked by idea just purely happy and touched by it what makes me think she must feel something for Giovanna before and her feelings are genuine

[Guest]

One of the sexiest moments of their sex scene for me is when Angel looks at Giovanna and guides her into changing position into . After that, when Angel looks back at Giovanna, I die with that look.

[Guest]

This is mu opinion about 3rd season:

Walcyr should understand the real harm it would cause to rape victims and women who have suffered abuse to see Angel having something with Alex again. But I think that if Alex is back for good, I see her sleeping with him in order to save her life or in order to manipulate him to kill him again or indeed because the abuse and grooming was so powerful that she might still be messed up in the head when it comes to it. But even if they have sex, she will not really be with him lovingly. I think that she and Giovanna will continue to be obsessed with each other, bickering and trying to hurt each other, but the love will be between them, and I see them having angry, hot sex in some crazy intense situations in the middle of really bad fights, and at some point they will give in to their actual love, team up and I think this time it will actually be Giovanna that kills her father.

Or Angel in defense of Giovanna...but fuck why woman in this show can't kill men properly for good. Could also see Giovanna hooking up with someone just to hurt Angel or try make her jealous. This show is full of sex scenes.

Because Walcyr is a horrible writer and likes to bring dead people back. No matter how stupid it is. Oh definitely. They will try to hurt each other through sex as well.

I hope they tone down the number of sex scenes, especially among meaningless characters, because it’s ridiculous tbh. And ppl are panning the show for that, and for good reason. The reason why the sex scene between Angel and Giovanna was so well received was precisely because they was actual meaning and purpose behind it.

[Guest]

I just rewatched the scene in full after my initial shock lol and I really don't get it why some people thought it was trahsy and called it similar to porn. Basically the entire sequence is genuinely so tender, you don't get fake exaggarated moans or extreme use of tongue or anything like you see in porn. I wonder if people would still feel that way if they didn't include the scissoring. Which wasn't even done in poor taste, imo. I genuinely feel like people are so not used to seeing a long lesbian sex scene with all this nudity that they immediately associate it with porn. But it was far from it.

[Guest]

Them as kids in first season

Thanks for sharing. What episode is this from?

[Guest]

I just rewatched the scene in full after my initial shock lol and I really don't get it why some people thought it was trahsy and called it similar to porn. Basically the entire sequence is genuinely so tender, you don't get fake exaggarated moans or extreme use of tongue or anything like you see in porn. I wonder if people would still feel that way if they didn't include the scissoring. Which wasn't even done in poor taste, imo. I genuinely feel like people are so not used to seeing a long lesbian sex scene with all this nudity that they immediately associate it with porn. But it was far from it.

It’s the perfect scene. It is actually my dream scene. Whoever said that, it was because they were not falling the storyline, don’t know the kind of show it is, don’t know the characters. Because the reason why the scene has been so well received by the audience is precisely because it has meaning, the actresses committed fully to the scene, the chemistry is insane, and it was directed by a woman.

[Guest]

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I just rewatched the scene in full after my initial shock lol and I really don't get it why some people thought it was trahsy and called it similar to porn. Basically the entire sequence is genuinely so tender, you don't get fake exaggarated moans or extreme use of tongue or anything like you see in porn. I wonder if people would still feel that way if they didn't include the scissoring. Which wasn't even done in poor taste, imo. I genuinely feel like people are so not used to seeing a long lesbian sex scene with all this nudity that they immediately associate it with porn. But it was far from it.

It’s the perfect scene. It is actually my dream scene. Whoever said that, it was because they were not falling the storyline, don’t know the kind of show it is, don’t know the characters. Because the reason why the scene has been so well received by the audience is precisely because it has meaning, the actresses committed fully to the scene, the chemistry is insane, and it was directed by a woman.

most of Angel sex scenes are aggressive and for male gaze, it was first time she was making love with someone not simply fucked plus whole enemy to lovers step sisters and Giovana being complicated and crazy as fuck is actually interesting. They have long story behind them and chemistry is just insane.

[Guest]

So Angel did not loved her husband at all?

[Guest]

I just rewatched the scene in full after my initial shock lol and I really don't get it why some people thought it was trahsy and called it similar to porn. Basically the entire sequence is genuinely so tender, you don't get fake exaggarated moans or extreme use of tongue or anything like you see in porn. I wonder if people would still feel that way if they didn't include the scissoring. Which wasn't even done in poor taste, imo. I genuinely feel like people are so not used to seeing a long lesbian sex scene with all this nudity that they immediately associate it with porn. But it was far from it.

It’s the perfect scene. It is actually my dream scene. Whoever said that, it was because they were not falling the storyline, don’t know the kind of show it is, don’t know the characters. Because the reason why the scene has been so well received by the audience is precisely because it has meaning, the actresses committed fully to the scene, the chemistry is insane, and it was directed by a woman.

following*

[Guest]

I just rewatched the scene in full after my initial shock lol and I really don't get it why some people thought it was trahsy and called it similar to porn. Basically the entire sequence is genuinely so tender, you don't get fake exaggarated moans or extreme use of tongue or anything like you see in porn. I wonder if people would still feel that way if they didn't include the scissoring. Which wasn't even done in poor taste, imo. I genuinely feel like people are so not used to seeing a long lesbian sex scene with all this nudity that they immediately associate it with porn. But it was far from it.

It’s the perfect scene. It is actually my dream scene. Whoever said that, it was because they were not falling the storyline, don’t know the kind of show it is, don’t know the characters. Because the reason why the scene has been so well received by the audience is precisely because it has meaning, the actresses committed fully to the scene, the chemistry is insane, and it was directed by a woman.

most of Angel sex scenes are aggressive and for male gaze, it was first time she was making love with someone not simply fucked plus whole enemy to lovers step sisters and Giovana being complicated and crazy as fuck is actually interesting. They have long story behind them and chemistry is just insane.

Perfect description

[Guest]

So Angel did not loved her husband at all?

Nope, she didn’t. And she also killed him when she saw he was threatening to take away her son from her.

[Guest]

lol it seems they were aiming for Angel and Cristiano as this love story from first sign but realized no one gives fuck so they went with girls at last this makes more sense for her to fall for woman as Angel was always used and fucked up by men

[Guest]

Even Camila (main character) likes idea of them and was even posting some stuff and she neved done it with other love interests what says all.

[Guest]

lol it seems they were aiming for Angel and Cristiano as this love story from first sign but realized no one gives fuck so they went with girls at last this makes more sense for her to fall for woman as Angel was always used and fucked up by men

This Angel-Cristiano storyline is boring as fuck honestly

[Guest]

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It’s his personality in dealing with fans on twitter. He is ALWAYS sarcastic and trying to provoke. It translates to nothing in his work - whose quality can be horrid at times. So basically, it doesn’t mean anything. What makes me feel good about that interaction is that the “fans” were actually amazingly intelligent in their tweets, wrote the truth in a super polite and convincing way - saying that of course the writer is who decides, but how important it is, in a soap which is an open work that incorporates audience feedback, for the writer to use the audience as a barometer for what’s working or not, which characters ppl are engaged with and which characters are failing to connect, etc.. Globo is incredibly sensitive to that. The fans actually were great in saying that the only thing people really care about is Angel/Giovanna, and that they will be the source of the best drama. His reaction is simply how he treats everyone on the internet, it doesn’t really mean anything about his intentions.

[Guest]

Isn’t there an obvious scene missing of Angel trying to convince Giovanna of killing Cristiano? That came out of nowhere

[Guest]

Guys, go to @robertapfranco on instagram, she was the double that had to be included after Camila (the actress left!). She is posting behind the scenes. There is one scene in particular where she is wearing a red dress - different from the one of the kiss/sex scene - and she is in Giovanna’s apartment and drinking a drink and then dancing? What the hell is that? What scene might that be?

[Guest]

Guys, go to @robertapfranco on instagram, she was the double that had to be included after Camila (the actress left!). She is posting behind the scenes. There is one scene in particular where she is wearing a red dress - different from the one of the kiss/sex scene - and she is in Giovanna’s apartment and drinking a drink and then dancing? What the hell is that? What scene might that be?

the actress that left*

[Guest]

And… she deleted those stories in Giovanna’s apartment, probably because that scene was not used on the show. I screencapped the dress and she was basically alone in Giovanna’s apartment, and after the director says action, she goes to the kitchen counter, drink some drink and then dance to a music barefoot while facing the window. Have no idea what would be the purpose of that scene. Here’s the dress, which is different from the one of the sex scene i believe

[Guest]

Forget it, she posted them again, so it is still up on her ig!

[Guest]

Even Camila (main character) likes idea of them and was even posting some stuff and she neved done it with other love interests what says all.

Honestly it really does because she constantly likes tweets saying Alex abused Angel (she probably fucking hates that he was brought back to life) and I've never seen her like anything about Cristiano. But she seemed excited about this storyline with Giovanna. The potential

[Guest]

This is so cute

[Guest]

Guys, go to @robertapfranco on instagram, she was the double that had to be included after Camila (the actress left!). She is posting behind the scenes. There is one scene in particular where she is wearing a red dress - different from the one of the kiss/sex scene - and she is in Giovanna’s apartment and drinking a drink and then dancing? What the hell is that? What scene might that be?

Thanks for bringing attention to this. I'm really confused about this scene in Giovanna's apartament cause like you said it's not the same dress. Maybe they wanted to include Angel dancing for Giovanna before sex or something? So random. She also definitely filmed the scene when Cristiano and Angel go to Percy's house. It wasn't Camila in that car cause we didn't see her face.

Damn, to think that if Camila had to go to the hospital few days earlier she wouldn't be able to film all the scenes with Agatha. We almost lost this storyline, it was so close.

[Guest]

Guys, go to @robertapfranco on instagram, she was the double that had to be included after Camila (the actress left!). She is posting behind the scenes. There is one scene in particular where she is wearing a red dress - different from the one of the kiss/sex scene - and she is in Giovanna’s apartment and drinking a drink and then dancing? What the hell is that? What scene might that be?

Thanks for bringing attention to this. I'm really confused about this scene in Giovanna's apartament cause like you said it's not the same dress. Maybe they wanted to include Angel dancing for Giovanna before sex or something? So random. She also definitely filmed the scene when Cristiano and Angel go to Percy's house. It wasn't Camila in that car cause we didn't see her face.

Damn, to think that if Camila had to go to the hospital few days earlier she wouldn't be able to film all the scenes with Agatha. We almost lost this storyline, it was so close.

I just think it doesn’t make any sense because a) it isn’t the same dress, so how could she be dancing before sex?; b) it would make zero sense to dance before sex if the sex is supposed to be the one after they kiss for the first time. I don’t even know when this scene was supposed to happen in the episode. I can only imagine the scene got cut for a reason. Why would Angel be dancing anyway, special like that? So weird.

[Guest]

And… she deleted those stories in Giovanna’s apartment, probably because that scene was not used on the show. I screencapped the dress and she was basically alone in Giovanna’s apartment, and after the director says action, she goes to the kitchen counter, drink some drink and then dance to a music barefoot while facing the window. Have no idea what would be the purpose of that scene. Here’s the dress, which is different from the one of the sex scene i believe

Lol this doesn't make sense but also that dress...Angel never dressed up this sexy for man beside job and she already did that twice with Gio

[Guest]

[Guest]

And… she deleted those stories in Giovanna’s apartment, probably because that scene was not used on the show. I screencapped the dress and she was basically alone in Giovanna’s apartment, and after the director says action, she goes to the kitchen counter, drink some drink and then dance to a music barefoot while facing the window. Have no idea what would be the purpose of that scene. Here’s the dress, which is different from the one of the sex scene i believe

Lol this doesn't make sense but also that dress...Angel never dressed up this sexy for man beside job and she already did that twice with Gio

Twice counting this scene with this different red dress? Why again a red dress? I find all of this exceedingly puzzling, I don’t know why lol

[Guest]

Guys, go to @robertapfranco on instagram, she was the double that had to be included after Camila (the actress left!). She is posting behind the scenes. There is one scene in particular where she is wearing a red dress - different from the one of the kiss/sex scene - and she is in Giovanna’s apartment and drinking a drink and then dancing? What the hell is that? What scene might that be?

Thanks for bringing attention to this. I'm really confused about this scene in Giovanna's apartament cause like you said it's not the same dress. Maybe they wanted to include Angel dancing for Giovanna before sex or something? So random. She also definitely filmed the scene when Cristiano and Angel go to Percy's house. It wasn't Camila in that car cause we didn't see her face.

Damn, to think that if Camila had to go to the hospital few days earlier she wouldn't be able to film all the scenes with Agatha. We almost lost this storyline, it was so close.

Yes, I agree, that car scene was very obvious, it is always so awkward when you don’t see the face and you just have the other actor talking at you and you’re supposed to be the main character and just don’t say anything.

About the double’s ig story, what the hell is she doing? She drinks, then goes to the fridge, then dances facing the window? Is she supposed to be alone? Did she enter the apt alone? Why a red dress again? Where is Giovanna? Any ideas?

[Guest]

And… she deleted those stories in Giovanna’s apartment, probably because that scene was not used on the show. I screencapped the dress and she was basically alone in Giovanna’s apartment, and after the director says action, she goes to the kitchen counter, drink some drink and then dance to a music barefoot while facing the window. Have no idea what would be the purpose of that scene. Here’s the dress, which is different from the one of the sex scene i believe

Lol this doesn't make sense but also that dress...Angel never dressed up this sexy for man beside job and she already did that twice with Gio

Twice counting this scene with this different red dress? Why again a red dress? I find all of this exceedingly puzzling, I don’t know why lol

Maybe they were trying with different ending and this was about Giovana bringing her her passport or just Angel celebrating Gio attempts to murder her lover as they both crazy

[Guest]

it's just me or Angel is kind of lerning and reapiting Giovanna behavior, getting into Giovanna space as Gio always did and we even got mirrored scenes like this but with Angel visiting Gio in prison and enjoying her victory same way as Gio did here lol

[Guest]

That peck in the end is so funny. Giovanna just couldn't help herself

[Guest]

And… she deleted those stories in Giovanna’s apartment, probably because that scene was not used on the show. I screencapped the dress and she was basically alone in Giovanna’s apartment, and after the director says action, she goes to the kitchen counter, drink some drink and then dance to a music barefoot while facing the window. Have no idea what would be the purpose of that scene. Here’s the dress, which is different from the one of the sex scene i believe

Lol this doesn't make sense but also that dress...Angel never dressed up this sexy for man beside job and she already did that twice with Gio

Twice counting this scene with this different red dress? Why again a red dress? I find all of this exceedingly puzzling, I don’t know why lol

Maybe they were trying with different ending and this was about Giovana bringing her her passport or just Angel celebrating Gio attempts to murder her lover as they both crazy

I think this is possible. Not as an ending but somewhere inbetween Gio grabbing Angel's documents and going to the airport. Cause they never see each other in the final episode, obviously cause Camila was gone already, and when Cristiano shows up at Gio's apartment she's all by herself. I think they were supposed to celebrate, maybe fuck again then Angel would go to her place to pack her bags and that's when Cristiano would visit Gio to try and manipulate her against Angel.

[Guest]

And… she deleted those stories in Giovanna’s apartment, probably because that scene was not used on the show. I screencapped the dress and she was basically alone in Giovanna’s apartment, and after the director says action, she goes to the kitchen counter, drink some drink and then dance to a music barefoot while facing the window. Have no idea what would be the purpose of that scene. Here’s the dress, which is different from the one of the sex scene i believe

Lol this doesn't make sense but also that dress...Angel never dressed up this sexy for man beside job and she already did that twice with Gio

Twice counting this scene with this different red dress? Why again a red dress? I find all of this exceedingly puzzling, I don’t know why lol

Maybe they were trying with different ending and this was about Giovana bringing her her passport or just Angel celebrating Gio attempts to murder her lover as they both crazy

I think this is possible. Not as an ending but somewhere inbetween Gio grabbing Angel's documents and going to the airport. Cause they never see each other in the final episode, obviously cause Camila was gone already, and when Cristiano shows up at Gio's apartment she's all by herself. I think they were supposed to celebrate, maybe fuck again then Angel would go to her place to pack her bags and that's when Cristiano would visit Gio to try and manipulate her against Angel.

Yeah but it's just hilarious and ridiculous to show half of body,mostly boobs without face of main character

[Guest]

If that's true than glad actress blocked their attemp of fucking up this storyline even more we don't need Angel being betrayed by Gio as she always was with men. At some point I wanna see Giovanna earning Angel trust.

[Guest]

Why all those people were waiting and trying kill brunette?

[Guest]

[Guest]

Why did Gio have to be so cute? Now I'm wishing Agatha Moreira was gay

[Guest]

And… she deleted those stories in Giovanna’s apartment, probably because that scene was not used on the show. I screencapped the dress and she was basically alone in Giovanna’s apartment, and after the director says action, she goes to the kitchen counter, drink some drink and then dance to a music barefoot while facing the window. Have no idea what would be the purpose of that scene. Here’s the dress, which is different from the one of the sex scene i believe

Lol this doesn't make sense but also that dress...Angel never dressed up this sexy for man beside job and she already did that twice with Gio

Twice counting this scene with this different red dress? Why again a red dress? I find all of this exceedingly puzzling, I don’t know why lol

Maybe they were trying with different ending and this was about Giovana bringing her her passport or just Angel celebrating Gio attempts to murder her lover as they both crazy

I think this is possible. Not as an ending but somewhere inbetween Gio grabbing Angel's documents and going to the airport. Cause they never see each other in the final episode, obviously cause Camila was gone already, and when Cristiano shows up at Gio's apartment she's all by herself. I think they were supposed to celebrate, maybe fuck again then Angel would go to her place to pack her bags and that's when Cristiano would visit Gio to try and manipulate her against Angel.

DA - I agree, this must have been for a scene after Giovanna gets the documents because as you said, in the last episode you really feel this long absence of Angel. But I wonder why choose a red dress again for the character in this scene and not the clothes Angel was wearing when she convinces Cristiano to go? Why that dance, and where would be the camera positioned? Was the shot supposed to be like one of those outside of the windows ?

Lol this for me has become the ‘red dress’ mystery and I have my detective hat on.

Also, one of the pics the double has with Agatha behind the scenes, Agatha has the make up that she uses in two scenes I think: the kiss/sex scene and in the scenes with Cristiano and Percy in Percy’s mansion, like this bts pic seems to shows:



It’s eye makeup where the inner corner of the eye has an orange/salmon eyeliner and the rest of the eye lid has a kinda of a blue/bluish gray eye shadow. I’m not an expert with makeup, but from the pic the double posted with Agatha, it seems like the same makeup she used in the sex scene and in this behind the scenes photo where they were filming the car scene where the double was present (maybe the blue shadow is not the same as the slightly darker that is used in the sex scene?). But now I wonder if they were reshooting parts of the sex scene somehow???? But that seems to be impossible, since Camila clearly is present in every shot that was aired of the sex scene. I think?

What do y’all think?

[Guest]

Lol this doesn't make sense but also that dress...Angel never dressed up this sexy for man beside job and she already did that twice with Gio

Twice counting this scene with this different red dress? Why again a red dress? I find all of this exceedingly puzzling, I don’t know why lol

Maybe they were trying with different ending and this was about Giovana bringing her her passport or just Angel celebrating Gio attempts to murder her lover as they both crazy

I think this is possible. Not as an ending but somewhere inbetween Gio grabbing Angel's documents and going to the airport. Cause they never see each other in the final episode, obviously cause Camila was gone already, and when Cristiano shows up at Gio's apartment she's all by herself. I think they were supposed to celebrate, maybe fuck again then Angel would go to her place to pack her bags and that's when Cristiano would visit Gio to try and manipulate her against Angel.

DA - I agree, this must have been for a scene after Giovanna gets the documents because as you said, in the last episode you really feel this long absence of Angel. But I wonder why choose a red dress again for the character in this scene and not the clothes Angel was wearing when she convinces Cristiano to go? Why that dance, and where would be the camera positioned? Was the shot supposed to be like one of those outside of the windows ?

Lol this for me has become the ‘red dress’ mystery and I have my detective hat on.

Also, one of the pics the double has with Agatha behind the scenes, Agatha has the make up that she uses in two scenes I think: the kiss/sex scene and in the scenes with Cristiano and Percy in Percy’s mansion, like this bts pic seems to shows:



It’s eye makeup where the inner corner of the eye has an orange/salmon eyeliner and the rest of the eye lid has a kinda of a blue/bluish gray eye shadow. I’m not an expert with makeup, but from the pic the double posted with Agatha, it seems like the same makeup she used in the sex scene and in this behind the scenes photo where they were filming the car scene where the double was present (maybe the blue shadow is not the same as the slightly darker that is used in the sex scene?). But now I wonder if they were reshooting parts of the sex scene somehow???? But that seems to be impossible, since Camila clearly is present in every shot that was aired of the sex scene. I think?

What do y’all think?

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BTW I do think it was supposed to be another scene after they get documents and not still sex scene

[Guest]

Lol this doesn't make sense but also that dress...Angel never dressed up this sexy for man beside job and she already did that twice with Gio

Twice counting this scene with this different red dress? Why again a red dress? I find all of this exceedingly puzzling, I don’t know why lol

Maybe they were trying with different ending and this was about Giovana bringing her her passport or just Angel celebrating Gio attempts to murder her lover as they both crazy

I think this is possible. Not as an ending but somewhere inbetween Gio grabbing Angel's documents and going to the airport. Cause they never see each other in the final episode, obviously cause Camila was gone already, and when Cristiano shows up at Gio's apartment she's all by herself. I think they were supposed to celebrate, maybe fuck again then Angel would go to her place to pack her bags and that's when Cristiano would visit Gio to try and manipulate her against Angel.

DA - I agree, this must have been for a scene after Giovanna gets the documents because as you said, in the last episode you really feel this long absence of Angel. But I wonder why choose a red dress again for the character in this scene and not the clothes Angel was wearing when she convinces Cristiano to go? Why that dance, and where would be the camera positioned? Was the shot supposed to be like one of those outside of the windows ?

Lol this for me has become the ‘red dress’ mystery and I have my detective hat on.

Also, one of the pics the double has with Agatha behind the scenes, Agatha has the make up that she uses in two scenes I think: the kiss/sex scene and in the scenes with Cristiano and Percy in Percy’s mansion, like this bts pic seems to shows:



It’s eye makeup where the inner corner of the eye has an orange/salmon eyeliner and the rest of the eye lid has a kinda of a blue/bluish gray eye shadow. I’m not an expert with makeup, but from the pic the double posted with Agatha, it seems like the same makeup she used in the sex scene and in this behind the scenes photo where they were filming the car scene where the double was present (maybe the blue shadow is not the same as the slightly darker that is used in the sex scene?). But now I wonder if they were reshooting parts of the sex scene somehow???? But that seems to be impossible, since Camila clearly is present in every shot that was aired of the sex scene. I think?

What do y’all think?

No... it was definitely all Camila in the sex scene. Their special effects are not that good LOL

Giovanna had that same make up for many episodes (48, 49, 50.. maybe more) not just those two scenes you mentioned. Even in those lost shots of Giovanna at the airport/in the plane, she's still wearing it. The double was there for the car scene and the airport scene, both scenes featured Agatha so their picture together must've been taken one of those days.

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BTW I do think it was supposed to be another scene after they get documents and not still sex scene

I think so... this was definitely missing in the episode. Someone mentioned they thought it was weird we didn't see them coming up with the plan that took place at Percy's house but I think it makes sense not to show them planning it because Giovanna trying to kill Cristiano was supposed to be a surprise. But a celebration after they get the documents would make sense cause there should be a reason why they didn't go to the airport together.

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If i had to bet, Camila and Agatha filmed their love scene on Nov 9th. The post the director posted on instagram gives the feeling of something very big they filmed together (the pic is from earlier, from them starting working, but the post date is Nov 9th)

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BTW I do think it was supposed to be another scene after they get documents and not still sex scene

I think so... this was definitely missing in the episode. Someone mentioned they thought it was weird we didn't see them coming up with the plan that took place at Percy's house but I think it makes sense not to show them planning it because Giovanna trying to kill Cristiano was supposed to be a surprise. But a celebration after they get the documents would make sense cause there should be a reason why they didn't go to the airport together.

So do we think Angel had planed Cristiano death with Gio or it was Gio herself making sure he won’t get between them again.

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BTW I do think it was supposed to be another scene after they get documents and not still sex scene

I think so... this was definitely missing in the episode. Someone mentioned they thought it was weird we didn't see them coming up with the plan that took place at Percy's house but I think it makes sense not to show them planning it because Giovanna trying to kill Cristiano was supposed to be a surprise. But a celebration after they get the documents would make sense cause there should be a reason why they didn't go to the airport together.

Whole thing with Giovanna giving her documents just like that off scene doesn't make any sense.