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Guest wrote: ↑15 Sep 2021, 14:41
Can't quote form the old thread but I really liked this post below and I fully agree. They designed the show a certain way together with music added and marketing. The desire and longing between these two characters was key at least all through S1 & S2. If they're not gonna follow up on that and take a completely alien road for this last season then it will fully TANK. It will be the final nail in the coffin. Part of me is nervous whenever Sandra and Jodie say it is important for the audience to be satisfied because there seem to be very little to be satisfied about up until this point in S4.
"I don’t get this point someone here is trying to make: what the fans want is wrong? I don’t think so. The fans believe in this relationship because the people behind the show designed it to be this way. They put in the desire and the longing.
Then the crazy circumstances and impossibility of it makes the whole drama. It’s very simple. And definitely it’s not wrong."
The problem is everyone wants something different so how could they possibly satisfy the audience? Lchat is more realistic but just go to twitter and see what they want to be satisfied lol then there are the straight audience members who still don’t see villaneve as romantic despite 3 seasons and a show that refuses to go there for some reason.
I don't care about the soccer moms or the rest of the clueless, I care about the truth of the show and the consensus of what they are packaging as Killing Eve. What they are selling through all PR and promo they do and what they send to media and whats get picked up. That part does in fact indicate it is about a relationship of romantic nature between two women. If they don't intend to make it about that then they are misleading af.
We've given that production team enough benefit of the doubt. All those leading advertising and interviews... it's crossed the line into queerbaiting. Just my two cents worth.
They will never admit it's queerbaiting, because it technically isn't. What they did with VILLANELLE is basically the opposite of queerbaiting.
Season 1 - generally speaking, she blatantly displays sexual interest in Eve since ep 1
- Konstantin catches her in the aftermath of a threesome with a man and a WOMAN
- She kisses and it's implied she has sex with a female tourist in Berlin
- it's clearly stated that she had a romantic, albeit conflictual, relationship with Nadia
- in prison, she hits on female guards only
- she had a relationship with her female teacher
- in the last episode, she admits that she masturbates thinking of Eve and she's ready to have sex with her then and there
Season 2 - it's clearly stated she has a threesome with two women
- she blatantly hits on Eve, she subtly invades her personal space, even telling her she's the only one that makes her feel 'things'
- she masturbates knowing that Eve is listening to her through the microphone
- she tries to kiss Eve and to persuade her into running with her to Alaska
Season 3 - she marries a woman
- ogles random women
Now if we look at how they portrayed V's sexuality through the seasons, nobody could accuse them of queerbaiting, because one of the two main characters is a bisexual woman with a preference for women who lives her sexuality without shame. They're not teasing, they're not impliying, they're not displaying her interest in women only to say to fans "You don't understand the character, it's not like you think".
What I find perplexing is that they apparently don't want her to go down that road with Eve. And they're allowed to do that of course, but they should have taken that road since s1, making their relationship a rivalry with mutual obsession just to evolve it, one season at time, into hate followed by mutual self-destruction, or trust and reluctant allyship (in case they decided that Villaneve should bring the 12 down). Now, just like somebody said above, it looks like that they are teasing the audience with a possible romantic development because they know that part of the viewers expect that (I've seen people who don't ship them/critics who have no interest in them as a couple believing that they will end in bed), and they don't want to lose them.
And if/when the show will end without having developed Villaneve's relationship in a romantic direction the producers can always say the usual shit "It's complicated, their relationship goes beyond love and lust, you misunderstood what we wanted to do and blah, blah, blah, we didn't queerbaited the audience because Villanelle is bisexual". The end.