Taylor Swift - Part IV

[Guest]

Well dude I LIKE making theories because I find it FUN. Just like you find it fun to call people delusional. And I'm not a Kaylor, or a Swiftgron for that matter, I just find Taylor and her hints really fun to discuss and think about. Like a weird hobby of some sort. If you have "facts" that the songs allude to something else, feel free to share, I'd love to hear it and you can actually convince me otherwise.

For all I know maybe you have facts that she's actually seeing someone completely different that the public has no idea about. I don't care who she's in a relationship with, like I said I just like talking about her hints. Right now that's the idea I have about them.

What makes you think her songs are about Karlie? You're literally weaving shit out of thin air. If you want to write fanfiction head over to AO3. I'm a Gaylor, I'm not even trying to start a shipwar but none of her songs except It's time to go indicates that they are inspired by Karlie. You're making up stories in your head to fit into your little timeline.

Please point out my shit with your facts then. I'm very willing to hear you out and I'm not trying to start a shipwar either. I'm just having fun, as stated in my previous comment. You seem to be very offended by my having fun on a forum, so please, if you have the facts that what I'm saying is shit, go ahead and share it, instead of just saying that it's shit. Unlike most people, I love being proven wrong, but you're not really doing that with either of your comments.

You want facts? Taylor and Karlie hate each other. Taylor and her friends find ways to diss Karlie while Karlie makes sure to associate herself with known Taylor enemies. That should already tell you that there's bad blood between these two. What's not connecting for you? As a gaylor it's getting tiring to see delusions being discussed on this thread without any basis. Where do you base off your lyrical analyses if these two havent been seen together for YEARS? "Taylor tried reaching out to Karlie after things ended..." jfc you should really write a kaylor fanfiction in AO3.

[Guest]

I don’t believe they’re together anymore, but you don’t need to get so angry about it.

Many people here believe that a lot of Taylor’s recent songs are about KK and the fallout. Some of us were trying to speculate about when that was given KK’s history of indirect nods to TS even after their supposed breakup (in the past few years).

This is all speculation anyway, so why get so fired up about it?

[Guest]

I strongly believe Taylor is at least bi, if not a lesbian.

However, does it look to anyone else that she's about to announce an engagement to Joe soon? Recent articles seem to be indicating that is the direction they're going in.

I hope she just uses it for the PR push and then calls off the "engagement" before an actual wedding. I'm not trying to be biphobic or anything, she may truly be bi, but there's no way she and Joe are the real deal. There's too much that doesn't make sense.

But I wouldn't be surprised if there were an engagement announcement, Taylor pushing her music and maybe Joe landing a movie deal, then they announce a split once they no longer need the PR buzz.

If she's bi, why would that relationship be fake?

DA most of hollywood relationships aren't genuine, they're pr creations

Dude PR relationships don't last more than a year as fans lose the interest after that, just look at Affleck and Armas, people want new shinny things all the time having a relationship last that long more so for an artist as famous as Taylor is a waste. More so when she is way to private about it, second he is not that famous or has a huge fan base, he is not getting huge opportunities that will make media talk about him and have Taylor mentioned.

[Guest]

[Guest]

I don’t believe they’re together anymore, but you don’t need to get so angry about it.

Many people here believe that a lot of Taylor’s recent songs are about KK and the fallout. Some of us were trying to speculate about when that was given KK’s history of indirect nods to TS even after their supposed breakup (in the past few years).

This is all speculation anyway, so why get so fired up about it?

Ignore and report... that's the best we can do.

[Guest]

I don’t believe they’re together anymore, but you don’t need to get so angry about it.

Many people here believe that a lot of Taylor’s recent songs are about KK and the fallout. Some of us were trying to speculate about when that was given KK’s history of indirect nods to TS even after their supposed breakup (in the past few years).

This is all speculation anyway, so why get so fired up about it?

Ignore and report... that's the best we can do.

Kaylors be reporting posts if things don't align with their alternate universe.

[Guest]

I remember the "Swish Swish" caption, there was already some especulation about them not being close anymore. And Karlie came up with that post. I mean, she always used Taylor name to sell things, in every interview she would take about Taylor and then try to sell clothes, cookies or her coding foundation.
But for me it was cristal clear they weren't close anymore when Reputation came out.
And when Karlie had her tv show, and Taylor didn't tweet, post, made and appearance or even called.

[Guest]

I remember the "Swish Swish" caption, there was already some especulation about them not being close anymore. And Karlie came up with that post. I mean, she always used Taylor name to sell things, in every interview she would take about Taylor and then try to sell clothes, cookies or her coding foundation.
But for me it was cristal clear they weren't close anymore when Reputation came out.
And when Karlie had her tv show, and Taylor didn't tweet, post, made and appearance or even called.

Hence my original question regarding why KK or her team would continue to watch TS on social media and post suspicious things around TS posts and on certain dates after that.

Can someone speak to that?

[Guest]

Taylor really went for Karlie's neck by releasing her bonus tracks a day after Karlie got cancelledt for trying to save face. Taylor has no conscience for doing that to a very pregnant girl. And people here still think that Taylor wrote her four albums

[guest]

I made peace with the fact kaylor is dead years ago, what I can’t decide is what kind relationship that was , just friendship, even just casual friends... or a relationship/fwf situation. at the beginning it looked like there was feelings involved.
yet jerk was always around... i think the fandom over romanticized them. it was never a deep connection.
what kkk did was just horrible, that made Taylor suffer more than the end of kaylor

[MsAnon]

Thank you for all of those posts anon, I really appreciate it, I didn't wanna make the post too and include all the pics, so I'm making a brand new comment.

I had no idea the Kushners were involved with the investment company that had a hand in buying the masters. It makes things worse in my eyes. And it makes the entire betrayal even worse and more complicated.

There's just one thing that's still unclear to me from your first post - according to my research, Scooter has been managing Karlie since "late 2015", and back then things were fine between her and Taylor. But why would Scooter himself bully Taylor through Kanye/Justin with posts and leaks and stuff? What did she do to him, for him to want to bully her in the first place? And let's say it's actually her own misunderstanding because according to Scooter, he just took an opportunity that was presented to him (I'm just taking his side of the story to get more info), why would she think Scooter was bullying her? What's the actual source of the victimization of Taylor? (idk if I'm being clear enough in my wording in this tho)

Or am I just misunderstanding things, and the reason she doesn't like him is because of his clients? But then, I've specifically seen her referring to Scooter bullying her "through his clients", so it's not that much of a misunderstanding.

And then we go back to my original question if she had a problem with him, why stay "friends" or whatever, with Karlie while she was being managed by him if he's been bullying her for years?

As for your second post - that's not the full Karlie quote, she also says she doesn't know her too well, which isn't much of an excuse but it's the best way to save face when you don't wanna say more, and that's what it seems she was trying to do. But why she was trying to do that in the first place is unclear to me.

The caption of the post is an obvious dig and I know that things started to fizzle out between them in 2018, but I wanna know what you think about her song lyrics on Folklore and Evermore since we don't have any clear public moves from Taylor regarding Karlie? Between releasing Folklore on the anniversary of the Karlie/Josh proposal, and the gold rush title of the song which matches the Insta post, and all the songs that, as I said, are alluding to Karlie (although not as obvious as "dancing in a snowglobe", but still some subtle nods are in there, like "sellin' makeup and magazines" or referencing St. Louis, etc.), or previous songs that were probably about Karlie(dress or delicate for example)?

I'm not opposed to seeing proof that all of this stuff actually references Dianna (like the rabbit hole reference or the witches imagery that she's said to like) or someone else entirely, but this is the overall vibe that I'm getting from the information I've learned about Gaylor so far.

[Steampunk Kitty]

Lesbian forum, lesbian thread. Read rules before posting. Het trolls will be banned.

[Guest]

Karlie is not attractive at all. What did Taylor see in her...

[Guest]

I remember the "Swish Swish" caption, there was already some especulation about them not being close anymore. And Karlie came up with that post. I mean, she always used Taylor name to sell things, in every interview she would take about Taylor and then try to sell clothes, cookies or her coding foundation.
But for me it was cristal clear they weren't close anymore when Reputation came out.
And when Karlie had her tv show, and Taylor didn't tweet, post, made and appearance or even called.

Hence my original question regarding why KK or her team would continue to watch TS on social media and post suspicious things around TS posts and on certain dates after that.

Can someone speak to that?

Because more than half of her followers are Taylor fans. Her team was using Kaylor delusions to monetize her social media. They would go a certain brand and say their pitch, showed the numbers, and then the secuence would be: post about something it would appeal to Kaylors, followed by an ad.
Exactly the same happened with her interviews. She would be selling something and using Taylor for clout.
And in Reputation, Taylor addresses the issue. Except Kaylors don't fucking listen to Taylor's lyrics.

[Guest]

Sick of all the het talk, thanks mod.

Also, sometimes I look at pics of Dianna Agron, she’s so beautiful, too beautiful, I mean have you seen her side profile? My god. No wonder Taylor hasn’t moved on. Girl is lost. All the world is green and we’re just living in it I guess.

[Guest]

Thank you for all of those posts anon, I really appreciate it, I didn't wanna make the post too and include all the pics, so I'm making a brand new comment.

I had no idea the Kushners were involved with the investment company that had a hand in buying the masters. It makes things worse in my eyes. And it makes the entire betrayal even worse and more complicated.

There's just one thing that's still unclear to me from your first post - according to my research, Scooter has been managing Karlie since "late 2015", and back then things were fine between her and Taylor. But why would Scooter himself bully Taylor through Kanye/Justin with posts and leaks and stuff? What did she do to him, for him to want to bully her in the first place? And let's say it's actually her own misunderstanding because according to Scooter, he just took an opportunity that was presented to him (I'm just taking his side of the story to get more info), why would she think Scooter was bullying her? What's the actual source of the victimization of Taylor? (idk if I'm being clear enough in my wording in this tho)

Or am I just misunderstanding things, and the reason she doesn't like him is because of his clients? But then, I've specifically seen her referring to Scooter bullying her "through his clients", so it's not that much of a misunderstanding.

And then we go back to my original question if she had a problem with him, why stay "friends" or whatever, with Karlie while she was being managed by him if he's been bullying her for years?

As for your second post - that's not the full Karlie quote, she also says she doesn't know her too well, which isn't much of an excuse but it's the best way to save face when you don't wanna say more, and that's what it seems she was trying to do. But why she was trying to do that in the first place is unclear to me.

The caption of the post is an obvious dig and I know that things started to fizzle out between them in 2018, but I wanna know what you think about her song lyrics on Folklore and Evermore since we don't have any clear public moves from Taylor regarding Karlie? Between releasing Folklore on the anniversary of the Karlie/Josh proposal, and the gold rush title of the song which matches the Insta post, and all the songs that, as I said, are alluding to Karlie (although not as obvious as "dancing in a snowglobe", but still some subtle nods are in there, like "sellin' makeup and magazines" or referencing St. Louis, etc.), or previous songs that were probably about Karlie(dress or delicate for example)?

I'm not opposed to seeing proof that all of this stuff actually references Dianna (like the rabbit hole reference or the witches imagery that she's said to like) or someone else entirely, but this is the overall vibe that I'm getting from the information I've learned about Gaylor so far.

The fact that you think Gold Rush isn't a shady song to Karlie, tells me everything I need to know. And the song is perfectly compatible with that list of things (lessons learned) Taylor wrote for a magazine. Another huge clue Taylor dropped about the betrayal, and two faced friends.

And about Scooter (who bullied Taylor on SM during the KanyeKimgate) that was the beginning of the end of their friendship. The fact that you don't seem to think that there is anything wrong with Karlie's manager buying a record company, with the investment from a company related to Karlie's husband.

[Guesty]

I remember the "Swish Swish" caption, there was already some especulation about them not being close anymore. And Karlie came up with that post. I mean, she always used Taylor name to sell things, in every interview she would take about Taylor and then try to sell clothes, cookies or her coding foundation.
But for me it was cristal clear they weren't close anymore when Reputation came out.
And when Karlie had her tv show, and Taylor didn't tweet, post, made and appearance or even called.

Hence my original question regarding why KK or her team would continue to watch TS on social media and post suspicious things around TS posts and on certain dates after that.

Can someone speak to that?

Because more than half of her followers are Taylor fans. Her team was using Kaylor delusions to monetize her social media. They would go a certain brand and say their pitch, showed the numbers, and then the secuence would be: post about something it would appeal to Kaylors, followed by an ad.
Exactly the same happened with her interviews. She would be selling something and using Taylor for clout.
And in Reputation, Taylor addresses the issue. Except Kaylors don't fucking listen to Taylor's lyrics.

X2 So true about kaylors not listening to Taylor's lyrics. They cherrypick a word or two and then claim the whole song for Karlie. Like, Taylor can't mention daisies or sunshine ever in a song cause that means she's singing about Karlie.
Now they claim Gold Rush because Karlie used that phrase in an IG post. But, have they even read the lyrics? If it is about Karlie, then kaylor never happened. So yeah, they can have Gold Rush. It means that Taylor was infatuated for 5 seconds and then snapped out of it.

[MsAnon]

Thank you for all of those posts anon, I really appreciate it, I didn't wanna make the post too and include all the pics, so I'm making a brand new comment.

I had no idea the Kushners were involved with the investment company that had a hand in buying the masters. It makes things worse in my eyes. And it makes the entire betrayal even worse and more complicated.

There's just one thing that's still unclear to me from your first post - according to my research, Scooter has been managing Karlie since "late 2015", and back then things were fine between her and Taylor. But why would Scooter himself bully Taylor through Kanye/Justin with posts and leaks and stuff? What did she do to him, for him to want to bully her in the first place? And let's say it's actually her own misunderstanding because according to Scooter, he just took an opportunity that was presented to him (I'm just taking his side of the story to get more info), why would she think Scooter was bullying her? What's the actual source of the victimization of Taylor? (idk if I'm being clear enough in my wording in this tho)

Or am I just misunderstanding things, and the reason she doesn't like him is because of his clients? But then, I've specifically seen her referring to Scooter bullying her "through his clients", so it's not that much of a misunderstanding.

And then we go back to my original question if she had a problem with him, why stay "friends" or whatever, with Karlie while she was being managed by him if he's been bullying her for years?

As for your second post - that's not the full Karlie quote, she also says she doesn't know her too well, which isn't much of an excuse but it's the best way to save face when you don't wanna say more, and that's what it seems she was trying to do. But why she was trying to do that in the first place is unclear to me.

The caption of the post is an obvious dig and I know that things started to fizzle out between them in 2018, but I wanna know what you think about her song lyrics on Folklore and Evermore since we don't have any clear public moves from Taylor regarding Karlie? Between releasing Folklore on the anniversary of the Karlie/Josh proposal, and the gold rush title of the song which matches the Insta post, and all the songs that, as I said, are alluding to Karlie (although not as obvious as "dancing in a snowglobe", but still some subtle nods are in there, like "sellin' makeup and magazines" or referencing St. Louis, etc.), or previous songs that were probably about Karlie(dress or delicate for example)?

I'm not opposed to seeing proof that all of this stuff actually references Dianna (like the rabbit hole reference or the witches imagery that she's said to like) or someone else entirely, but this is the overall vibe that I'm getting from the information I've learned about Gaylor so far.

The fact that you think Gold Rush isn't a shady song to Karlie, tells me everything I need to know. And the song is perfectly compatible with that list of things (lessons learned) Taylor wrote for a magazine. Another huge clue Taylor dropped about the betrayal, and two faced friends.

And about Scooter (who bullied Taylor on SM during the KanyeKimgate) that was the beginning of the end of their friendship. The fact that you don't seem to think that there is anything wrong with Karlie's manager buying a record company, with the investment from a company related to Karlie's husband.

I know it's a shady song for Karlie, the lyrics are that she doesn't want a gold rush after all. But I mean why have that song in the first place? Why do so much of her lyrics talk about how she wishes things were different when she's been betrayed like that with Karlie and the entire masters business? Not that she's waxing poetic about her love, but why talk about it that way at all, instead of focusing on something else, you know? If she wants to be over it, then why the wishful thinking? Or is it because of the line "My mind turns your life into folklore"?

And I did say that I didn't know about the Kushners involvement, but perhaps you didn't catch that I also said it makes things even worse. I'm just trying to understand, you know? And you seem interested enough to have an informed conversation instead of just throw insults like most people, so apologies if there are any misunderstandings on my part.

[Guest]

Most of the love songs are for Dianna anyways. I don’t hear any love for K.

[Guest]

Most of the love songs are for Dianna anyways. I don’t hear any love for K.

100% agree

[Guesty]

Thank you for all of those posts anon, I really appreciate it, I didn't wanna make the post too and include all the pics, so I'm making a brand new comment.

I had no idea the Kushners were involved with the investment company that had a hand in buying the masters. It makes things worse in my eyes. And it makes the entire betrayal even worse and more complicated.

There's just one thing that's still unclear to me from your first post - according to my research, Scooter has been managing Karlie since "late 2015", and back then things were fine between her and Taylor. But why would Scooter himself bully Taylor through Kanye/Justin with posts and leaks and stuff? What did she do to him, for him to want to bully her in the first place? And let's say it's actually her own misunderstanding because according to Scooter, he just took an opportunity that was presented to him (I'm just taking his side of the story to get more info), why would she think Scooter was bullying her? What's the actual source of the victimization of Taylor? (idk if I'm being clear enough in my wording in this tho)

Or am I just misunderstanding things, and the reason she doesn't like him is because of his clients? But then, I've specifically seen her referring to Scooter bullying her "through his clients", so it's not that much of a misunderstanding.

And then we go back to my original question if she had a problem with him, why stay "friends" or whatever, with Karlie while she was being managed by him if he's been bullying her for years?

As for your second post - that's not the full Karlie quote, she also says she doesn't know her too well, which isn't much of an excuse but it's the best way to save face when you don't wanna say more, and that's what it seems she was trying to do. But why she was trying to do that in the first place is unclear to me.

The caption of the post is an obvious dig and I know that things started to fizzle out between them in 2018, but I wanna know what you think about her song lyrics on Folklore and Evermore since we don't have any clear public moves from Taylor regarding Karlie? Between releasing Folklore on the anniversary of the Karlie/Josh proposal, and the gold rush title of the song which matches the Insta post, and all the songs that, as I said, are alluding to Karlie (although not as obvious as "dancing in a snowglobe", but still some subtle nods are in there, like "sellin' makeup and magazines" or referencing St. Louis, etc.), or previous songs that were probably about Karlie(dress or delicate for example)?

I'm not opposed to seeing proof that all of this stuff actually references Dianna (like the rabbit hole reference or the witches imagery that she's said to like) or someone else entirely, but this is the overall vibe that I'm getting from the information I've learned about Gaylor so far.

The fact that you think Gold Rush isn't a shady song to Karlie, tells me everything I need to know. And the song is perfectly compatible with that list of things (lessons learned) Taylor wrote for a magazine. Another huge clue Taylor dropped about the betrayal, and two faced friends.

And about Scooter (who bullied Taylor on SM during the KanyeKimgate) that was the beginning of the end of their friendship. The fact that you don't seem to think that there is anything wrong with Karlie's manager buying a record company, with the investment from a company related to Karlie's husband.

I know it's a shady song for Karlie, the lyrics are that she doesn't want a gold rush after all. But I mean why have that song in the first place? Why do so much of her lyrics talk about how she wishes things were different when she's been betrayed like that with Karlie and the entire masters business? Not that she's waxing poetic about her love, but why talk about it that way at all, instead of focusing on something else, you know? If she wants to be over it, then why the wishful thinking? Or is it because of the line "My mind turns your life into folklore"?

And I did say that I didn't know about the Kushners involvement, but perhaps you didn't catch that I also said it makes things even worse. I'm just trying to understand, you know? And you seem interested enough to have an informed conversation instead of just throw insults like most people, so apologies if there are any misunderstandings on my part.

The only reason you are confused is because you are assuming that Taylor is singing about Karlie in every other song. Once you accept that Taylor sings about other people and sometimes makes sh*t up, it all becomes simple. When Taylor wants you to know she's singing about someone, she makes it very clear, like "the master of spin" (Scooter) or "a twin from your dreams" (Karlie).

[Guest]

If anyone payed attention to "the making of a song" series that she did for Reputation, and saw her process, would understand that Taylor writes some phrases, words, etc, and when se starts working on a song, she starts to rhyme.
In gold rush she makes perfectly clear the message she wants to send: I almost jumped in, call you out on your contrarian shit, and the rest is what fits to the songs. It's like she puts some keywords and messages and work around that.
And in long story short, she has a phrase for Dianna, for Karlie and and the third person she is with. For Dianna she says it was the wrong time (using fell down the rabbit hole to make it very clear), and for Karlie she says it was the wrong guy.
And I fell from the pedestal
Right down the rabbit hole
Long story short, it was a bad time
Pushed from the precipice
Clung to the nearest lips
Long story short, it was the wrong guy

Very clear, Karlie is described as a rebound, just like Getaway Car.

[guest]

I strongly believe Taylor is at least bi, if not a lesbian.

However, does it look to anyone else that she's about to announce an engagement to Joe soon? Recent articles seem to be indicating that is the direction they're going in.

I hope she just uses it for the PR push and then calls off the "engagement" before an actual wedding. I'm not trying to be biphobic or anything, she may truly be bi, but there's no way she and Joe are the real deal. There's too much that doesn't make sense.

But I wouldn't be surprised if there were an engagement announcement, Taylor pushing her music and maybe Joe landing a movie deal, then they announce a split once they no longer need the PR buzz.

If she's bi, why would that relationship be fake?

DA most of hollywood relationships aren't genuine, they're pr creations

No, they aren't. Most people in Hollywood are married and have kids with people that aren't famous and part of Hollywood.

[Guest]

And if you go further, the storyline in the wildest dreams video is about Kaylor. They went away on a trip (Big Sur), made a big deal of it because that's Dianna's place BTW, had something going on, until the MET Gala where Karlie ditch Taylor to be with JK all night.

Jesus, I love petty Taylor.

[Guest]

True, the happy and successful marriages are with a grounded regular person. A grounded person is understanding and flexible. Two famous people together doesn't work, schedules don't merge. The rare few couples where both are famous are older couples who work less or retired. If someone wants kids and a happy family, can't wait til aged 40 or retired.

[MsAnon]

The fact that you think Gold Rush isn't a shady song to Karlie, tells me everything I need to know. And the song is perfectly compatible with that list of things (lessons learned) Taylor wrote for a magazine. Another huge clue Taylor dropped about the betrayal, and two faced friends.

And about Scooter (who bullied Taylor on SM during the KanyeKimgate) that was the beginning of the end of their friendship. The fact that you don't seem to think that there is anything wrong with Karlie's manager buying a record company, with the investment from a company related to Karlie's husband.

I know it's a shady song for Karlie, the lyrics are that she doesn't want a gold rush after all. But I mean why have that song in the first place? Why do so much of her lyrics talk about how she wishes things were different when she's been betrayed like that with Karlie and the entire masters business? Not that she's waxing poetic about her love, but why talk about it that way at all, instead of focusing on something else, you know? If she wants to be over it, then why the wishful thinking? Or is it because of the line "My mind turns your life into folklore"?

And I did say that I didn't know about the Kushners involvement, but perhaps you didn't catch that I also said it makes things even worse. I'm just trying to understand, you know? And you seem interested enough to have an informed conversation instead of just throw insults like most people, so apologies if there are any misunderstandings on my part.

The only reason you are confused is because you are assuming that Taylor is singing about Karlie in every other song. Once you accept that Taylor sings about other people and sometimes makes sh*t up, it all becomes simple. When Taylor wants you to know she's singing about someone, she makes it very clear, like "the master of spin" (Scooter) or "a twin from your dreams" (Karlie).

Excellent point, yes, I am assuming that, since going by what I've learned so far. I'm still learning a lot of things as a new Gaylor. Anyway, you never mentioned why Scooter was bullying Taylor, to begin with, or if you know anything about it. She's always claimed that he was doing that, but I haven't seen any mention of why.

[Guest]

Damn, that music video! Lips and legs, oh baby!

[Guest]

I know it's a shady song for Karlie, the lyrics are that she doesn't want a gold rush after all. But I mean why have that song in the first place? Why do so much of her lyrics talk about how she wishes things were different when she's been betrayed like that with Karlie and the entire masters business? Not that she's waxing poetic about her love, but why talk about it that way at all, instead of focusing on something else, you know? If she wants to be over it, then why the wishful thinking? Or is it because of the line "My mind turns your life into folklore"?

And I did say that I didn't know about the Kushners involvement, but perhaps you didn't catch that I also said it makes things even worse. I'm just trying to understand, you know? And you seem interested enough to have an informed conversation instead of just throw insults like most people, so apologies if there are any misunderstandings on my part.

The only reason you are confused is because you are assuming that Taylor is singing about Karlie in every other song. Once you accept that Taylor sings about other people and sometimes makes sh*t up, it all becomes simple. When Taylor wants you to know she's singing about someone, she makes it very clear, like "the master of spin" (Scooter) or "a twin from your dreams" (Karlie).

Excellent point, yes, I am assuming that, since going by what I've learned so far. I'm still learning a lot of things as a new Gaylor. Anyway, you never mentioned why Scooter was bullying Taylor, to begin with, or if you know anything about it. She's always claimed that he was doing that, but I haven't seen any mention of why.

Not OP, but what WE all could see was that after Kim released the edited tapes, Justin Bieber and Scooter Brown would post Instastories making fun of Taylor.
Behind the scenes don't know what happened, but Scooter was Kanye and Justin Bieber manager. So, those videos with Justin making fun of Taylor aren't enough?

[Guest]

The fact that you think Gold Rush isn't a shady song to Karlie, tells me everything I need to know. And the song is perfectly compatible with that list of things (lessons learned) Taylor wrote for a magazine. Another huge clue Taylor dropped about the betrayal, and two faced friends.

And about Scooter (who bullied Taylor on SM during the KanyeKimgate) that was the beginning of the end of their friendship. The fact that you don't seem to think that there is anything wrong with Karlie's manager buying a record company, with the investment from a company related to Karlie's husband.

I know it's a shady song for Karlie, the lyrics are that she doesn't want a gold rush after all. But I mean why have that song in the first place? Why do so much of her lyrics talk about how she wishes things were different when she's been betrayed like that with Karlie and the entire masters business? Not that she's waxing poetic about her love, but why talk about it that way at all, instead of focusing on something else, you know? If she wants to be over it, then why the wishful thinking? Or is it because of the line "My mind turns your life into folklore"?

And I did say that I didn't know about the Kushners involvement, but perhaps you didn't catch that I also said it makes things even worse. I'm just trying to understand, you know? And you seem interested enough to have an informed conversation instead of just throw insults like most people, so apologies if there are any misunderstandings on my part.

The only reason you are confused is because you are assuming that Taylor is singing about Karlie in every other song. Once you accept that Taylor sings about other people and sometimes makes sh*t up, it all becomes simple. When Taylor wants you to know she's singing about someone, she makes it very clear, like "the master of spin" (Scooter) or "a twin from your dreams" (Karlie).

If lines like “twin from your dreams” make the song clearly about Karlie, can’t similar lines like “double vision in rose blush” or “you’re the queen selling dreams, selling makeup and magazines” also be about Karlie? I’m not a Karlie stan but it seems like you are selectively picking if and when Taylor’s lyrics could be about Karlie.

[MsAnon]

The only reason you are confused is because you are assuming that Taylor is singing about Karlie in every other song. Once you accept that Taylor sings about other people and sometimes makes sh*t up, it all becomes simple. When Taylor wants you to know she's singing about someone, she makes it very clear, like "the master of spin" (Scooter) or "a twin from your dreams" (Karlie).

Excellent point, yes, I am assuming that, since going by what I've learned so far. I'm still learning a lot of things as a new Gaylor. Anyway, you never mentioned why Scooter was bullying Taylor, to begin with, or if you know anything about it. She's always claimed that he was doing that, but I haven't seen any mention of why.

Not OP, but what WE all could see was that after Kim released the edited tapes, Justin Bieber and Scooter Brown would post Instastories making fun of Taylor.
Behind the scenes don't know what happened, but Scooter was Kanye and Justin Bieber manager. So, those videos with Justin making fun of Taylor aren't enough?

Well, I don't really follow celebrities on social media, and never have, while people in Gaylor communities on social media prefer talking about her easter eggs and her lyrics, and accompanying screenshots of things related to that, not the shit she gets from other people and sc from those things. Hell, the first time I heard about Taylor possibly coming out was before YNTCM was going to be released, and that's the first time it crossed my mind she might not be straight because although I enjoyed her music, I wasn't into following her life or what she was doing. And I first heard about Kaylor and Swiftgron when Folklore came out.

Anyway, the only things I've seen being discussed is that apparently, Taylor has nothing to complain about when it comes to her masters being sold, because that's the contract she signed, which I think is insane because she was really young, and all artists have the right to complain when record labels offer predatory agreements as well as lawyers who work for them to "look over" those agreements just to say that the contract is what everyone else is getting and everything looks fine. Saying that labels have a lot to lose to take on aspiring musicians is pure BS in my opinion because they're swimming in money, and even despite the pandemic and no live events, livestreams became pretty popular and the industry continued to grow.

[Guesty]

I know it's a shady song for Karlie, the lyrics are that she doesn't want a gold rush after all. But I mean why have that song in the first place? Why do so much of her lyrics talk about how she wishes things were different when she's been betrayed like that with Karlie and the entire masters business? Not that she's waxing poetic about her love, but why talk about it that way at all, instead of focusing on something else, you know? If she wants to be over it, then why the wishful thinking? Or is it because of the line "My mind turns your life into folklore"?

And I did say that I didn't know about the Kushners involvement, but perhaps you didn't catch that I also said it makes things even worse. I'm just trying to understand, you know? And you seem interested enough to have an informed conversation instead of just throw insults like most people, so apologies if there are any misunderstandings on my part.

The only reason you are confused is because you are assuming that Taylor is singing about Karlie in every other song. Once you accept that Taylor sings about other people and sometimes makes sh*t up, it all becomes simple. When Taylor wants you to know she's singing about someone, she makes it very clear, like "the master of spin" (Scooter) or "a twin from your dreams" (Karlie).

If lines like “twin from your dreams” make the song clearly about Karlie, can’t similar lines like “double vision in rose blush” or “you’re the queen selling dreams, selling makeup and magazines” also be about Karlie? I’m not a Karlie stan but it seems like you are selectively picking if and when Taylor’s lyrics could be about Karlie.

How is "double vision in rose blush" about Karlie? I honestly don't even know what that line means. I think she just needed a word that ended in "ush" to keep the rhyme going. But if Gold Rush is about Karlie, then Taylor passed without getting involved and it invalidates pretty much every other song people say is about Karlie.
The only link in Dorothea to Karlie is selling makeup, but many celebs and models sell makeup and magazines too. So, i guess it could be about Karlie, but it is not a strong case. The only thing we could say is that Taylor wonders if Karlie thinks about her sometimes.
Now, can you think of anybody else in the world that people thought looked like Taylor's twin? Remember the endless posts in 2014 about then "twinning"? And that line about "words of sister come back in whispers" match pretty well with that leaked story that Karlie was spilling Taylor's secrets and Taylor found out.

[Guest]

If anyone payed attention to "the making of a song" series that she did for Reputation, and saw her process, would understand that Taylor writes some phrases, words, etc, and when se starts working on a song, she starts to rhyme.
In gold rush she makes perfectly clear the message she wants to send: I almost jumped in, call you out on your contrarian shit, and the rest is what fits to the songs. It's like she puts some keywords and messages and work around that.
And in long story short, she has a phrase for Dianna, for Karlie and and the third person she is with. For Dianna she says it was the wrong time (using fell down the rabbit hole to make it very clear), and for Karlie she says it was the wrong guy.
And I fell from the pedestal
Right down the rabbit hole
Long story short, it was a bad time
Pushed from the precipice
Clung to the nearest lips
Long story short, it was the wrong guy

Very clear, Karlie is described as a rebound, just like Getaway Car.

I don’t think there is a third person IMO. It’s Dianna she sings ‘but I’m all about you’ and I’ll be ready if they come for us THIS TIME, meaning there was a time for them before. Like when they were outed. This on top of the Cardigan lyrics implying that someone she has not moved on from in 7 years, came back to get and finally on the bonus track rhwylm during Red era, they broke up, so we know that again to be about Dianna. All I see are lyrics for Di and I’m not a swiftgron but it’s becoming obvious.

[Guest]

Damn, that music video! Lips and legs, oh baby!

What do you think they are up to, they’re both quiet.

[Guest]

The only reason you are confused is because you are assuming that Taylor is singing about Karlie in every other song. Once you accept that Taylor sings about other people and sometimes makes sh*t up, it all becomes simple. When Taylor wants you to know she's singing about someone, she makes it very clear, like "the master of spin" (Scooter) or "a twin from your dreams" (Karlie).

If lines like “twin from your dreams” make the song clearly about Karlie, can’t similar lines like “double vision in rose blush” or “you’re the queen selling dreams, selling makeup and magazines” also be about Karlie? I’m not a Karlie stan but it seems like you are selectively picking if and when Taylor’s lyrics could be about Karlie.

How is "double vision in rose blush" about Karlie? I honestly don't even know what that line means. I think she just needed a word that ended in "ush" to keep the rhyme going. But if Gold Rush is about Karlie, then Taylor passed without getting involved and it invalidates pretty much every other song people say is about Karlie.
The only link in Dorothea to Karlie is selling makeup, but many celebs and models sell makeup and magazines too. So, i guess it could be about Karlie, but it is not a strong case. The only thing we could say is that Taylor wonders if Karlie thinks about her sometimes.
Now, can you think of anybody else in the world that people thought looked like Taylor's twin? Remember the endless posts in 2014 about then "twinning"? And that line about "words of sister come back in whispers" match pretty well with that leaked story that Karlie was spilling Taylor's secrets and Taylor found out.

As kaylor has been dead for years, kaylors have wrongly assumed many love songs from rep, lover and folklore to be about K when in fact they are more likely to be about Di, since Taylor has told us in her current album her true feelings about K. So you have to go back and relisten with fresh ears and open minds. It’s clear she isn’t over someone from her past and it’s not Liz or K. That leaves Dianna.

[Guest]

Damn, that music video! Lips and legs, oh baby!

What do you think they are up to, they’re both quiet.

What, her legs and lips? Whispering my name... (would be nice)

[Guest]

Long Story Short

[Guest]

If anyone payed attention to "the making of a song" series that she did for Reputation, and saw her process, would understand that Taylor writes some phrases, words, etc, and when se starts working on a song, she starts to rhyme.
In gold rush she makes perfectly clear the message she wants to send: I almost jumped in, call you out on your contrarian shit, and the rest is what fits to the songs. It's like she puts some keywords and messages and work around that.
And in long story short, she has a phrase for Dianna, for Karlie and and the third person she is with. For Dianna she says it was the wrong time (using fell down the rabbit hole to make it very clear), and for Karlie she says it was the wrong guy.
And I fell from the pedestal
Right down the rabbit hole
Long story short, it was a bad time
Pushed from the precipice
Clung to the nearest lips
Long story short, it was the wrong guy

Very clear, Karlie is described as a rebound, just like Getaway Car.

I don’t think there is a third person IMO. It’s Dianna she sings ‘but I’m all about you’ and I’ll be ready if they come for us THIS TIME, meaning there was a time for them before. Like when they were outed. This on top of the Cardigan lyrics implying that someone she has not moved on from in 7 years, came back to get and finally on the bonus track rhwylm during Red era, they broke up, so we know that again to be about Dianna. All I see are lyrics for Di and I’m not a swiftgron but it’s becoming obvious.

DA. I have to side with the OP on this one. Are you saying that you believe she is with Dianna currently, as the line "and we live in peace" is also present tense? You are including Dianna in the love triangle from Folklore by saying Cardigan. I'm not saying it's absolutely wrong, but I've even seen some Swiftgrons hesitate to claim that.

[Guest]

True, the happy and successful marriages are with a grounded regular person. A grounded person is understanding and flexible. Two famous people together doesn't work, schedules don't merge. The rare few couples where both are famous are older couples who work less or retired. If someone wants kids and a happy family, can't wait til aged 40 or retired.

IA. Her best long-term chance at love and peace is with a woman who doesn't want or need to be in the spotlight.

[Guest]

True, the happy and successful marriages are with a grounded regular person. A grounded person is understanding and flexible. Two famous people together doesn't work, schedules don't merge. The rare few couples where both are famous are older couples who work less or retired. If someone wants kids and a happy family, can't wait til aged 40 or retired.

IA. Her best long-term chance at love and peace is with a woman who doesn't want or need to be in the spotlight.

Well, Dianna makes a perfect partner then, because she can be more secretive than Taylor. Besides she hardly works.

[Guest]

True, the happy and successful marriages are with a grounded regular person. A grounded person is understanding and flexible. Two famous people together doesn't work, schedules don't merge. The rare few couples where both are famous are older couples who work less or retired. If someone wants kids and a happy family, can't wait til aged 40 or retired.

IA. Her best long-term chance at love and peace is with a woman who doesn't want or need to be in the spotlight.

Well, Dianna makes a perfect partner then, because she can be more secretive than Taylor. Besides she hardly works.

Harsh, but true. da

[Guest]

True, the happy and successful marriages are with a grounded regular person. A grounded person is understanding and flexible. Two famous people together doesn't work, schedules don't merge. The rare few couples where both are famous are older couples who work less or retired. If someone wants kids and a happy family, can't wait til aged 40 or retired.

IA. Her best long-term chance at love and peace is with a woman who doesn't want or need to be in the spotlight.

Well, Dianna makes a perfect partner then, because she can be more secretive than Taylor. Besides she hardly works.

She certainly has been private lately. I really hope to see more of her work in the future.

[MsAnon]

IA. Her best long-term chance at love and peace is with a woman who doesn't want or need to be in the spotlight.

Well, Dianna makes a perfect partner then, because she can be more secretive than Taylor. Besides she hardly works.

She certainly has been private lately. I really hope to see more of her work in the future.

Taylor should be taking notes on how to really stay out of the public eye from her lol

[Guest]

Well, Dianna makes a perfect partner then, because she can be more secretive than Taylor. Besides she hardly works.

She certainly has been private lately. I really hope to see more of her work in the future.

Taylor should be taking notes on how to really stay out of the public eye from her lol

Notice how Taylor started distancing herself from her fans since early 2020? Even the straight swifties are complaining the sudden change on Taylor's social media engagements.

[Guest]

If anyone payed attention to "the making of a song" series that she did for Reputation, and saw her process, would understand that Taylor writes some phrases, words, etc, and when se starts working on a song, she starts to rhyme.
In gold rush she makes perfectly clear the message she wants to send: I almost jumped in, call you out on your contrarian shit, and the rest is what fits to the songs. It's like she puts some keywords and messages and work around that.
And in long story short, she has a phrase for Dianna, for Karlie and and the third person she is with. For Dianna she says it was the wrong time (using fell down the rabbit hole to make it very clear), and for Karlie she says it was the wrong guy.
And I fell from the pedestal
Right down the rabbit hole
Long story short, it was a bad time
Pushed from the precipice
Clung to the nearest lips
Long story short, it was the wrong guy

Very clear, Karlie is described as a rebound, just like Getaway Car.

Thanks! I have the same interpretation and I was desperate to see it written once here. How clever is the way she works the lyrics on that song. She enumerates all her past relationships that didn’t work out to emphasizes why the new one is different than all the ones she has had.

When she said “if they come at us this time I’m ready” is to remind herself that she wasn’t ready when they came at her and her past lovers and most of the time she let it go. But she’s ready for the new one. It’s a very entertaining writing and I like the progression of the wrong time/wrong guy/now all about you lyrics.

The song in its interpretation is no more different than daylight, it’s a variation of it. But instead of listing colors, she lists the reasons of her past break up.

[Guest]

They say they're new to the gaylor fandom but want to claim all the songs for Karlie. Smh. No, you're not a gaylor. You're a Kaylor shipper.

True. The other option would be that they just give in to the Kaylor theories too easily. IMO, both are weak.

[Guest]

If lines like “twin from your dreams” make the song clearly about Karlie, can’t similar lines like “double vision in rose blush” or “you’re the queen selling dreams, selling makeup and magazines” also be about Karlie? I’m not a Karlie stan but it seems like you are selectively picking if and when Taylor’s lyrics could be about Karlie.

How is "double vision in rose blush" about Karlie? I honestly don't even know what that line means. I think she just needed a word that ended in "ush" to keep the rhyme going. But if Gold Rush is about Karlie, then Taylor passed without getting involved and it invalidates pretty much every other song people say is about Karlie.
The only link in Dorothea to Karlie is selling makeup, but many celebs and models sell makeup and magazines too. So, i guess it could be about Karlie, but it is not a strong case. The only thing we could say is that Taylor wonders if Karlie thinks about her sometimes.
Now, can you think of anybody else in the world that people thought looked like Taylor's twin? Remember the endless posts in 2014 about then "twinning"? And that line about "words of sister come back in whispers" match pretty well with that leaked story that Karlie was spilling Taylor's secrets and Taylor found out.

As kaylor has been dead for years, kaylors have wrongly assumed many love songs from rep, lover and folklore to be about K when in fact they are more likely to be about Di, since Taylor has told us in her current album her true feelings about K. So you have to go back and relisten with fresh ears and open minds. It’s clear she isn’t over someone from her past and it’s not Liz or K. That leaves Dianna.

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May I also add, Karlie isn't the only NYC resident. Cornelia street is in West Village. So whoever Taylor was seeing at her apartment in 2016 was HER West Village, metaphorically speaking. Think about it, Taylor sang a non -single track, False God on the day Dianna showed up at her SNL show. "I still do it for you babe.."

[Guest]

They say they're new to the gaylor fandom but want to claim all the songs for Karlie. Smh. No, you're not a gaylor. You're a Kaylor shipper.

Facts.
If you are a true Gaylor, you know gay rumors existed a very long time before. Kaylor was only a small part of it.
Swiftgron existed, only lesbians knew about it but yes it was always there.

[Guest]

True, the happy and successful marriages are with a grounded regular person. A grounded person is understanding and flexible. Two famous people together doesn't work, schedules don't merge. The rare few couples where both are famous are older couples who work less or retired. If someone wants kids and a happy family, can't wait til aged 40 or retired.

IA. Her best long-term chance at love and peace is with a woman who doesn't want or need to be in the spotlight.

Well, Dianna makes a perfect partner then, because she can be more secretive than Taylor. Besides she hardly works.

lol I would agree about Di not working but, Taylor takes her queues and influence from Dianna all the time. Wonderland, Alice, circus themes, from Red era to current album. She’s a muse for sure. But I was thinking, what if she actively participates with influencing Taylor? Then she’d be co creator only stays silent. I mean it was funny how Dianna was learning how to direct in 2018 and then Taylor directs The Man almost just after in 2019. We’ve laughed at Taylor for stealing every influence off Dianna, but what if it was given freely by Dianna? It is possible.

[Guest]

How is "double vision in rose blush" about Karlie? I honestly don't even know what that line means. I think she just needed a word that ended in "ush" to keep the rhyme going. But if Gold Rush is about Karlie, then Taylor passed without getting involved and it invalidates pretty much every other song people say is about Karlie.
The only link in Dorothea to Karlie is selling makeup, but many celebs and models sell makeup and magazines too. So, i guess it could be about Karlie, but it is not a strong case. The only thing we could say is that Taylor wonders if Karlie thinks about her sometimes.
Now, can you think of anybody else in the world that people thought looked like Taylor's twin? Remember the endless posts in 2014 about then "twinning"? And that line about "words of sister come back in whispers" match pretty well with that leaked story that Karlie was spilling Taylor's secrets and Taylor found out.

As kaylor has been dead for years, kaylors have wrongly assumed many love songs from rep, lover and folklore to be about K when in fact they are more likely to be about Di, since Taylor has told us in her current album her true feelings about K. So you have to go back and relisten with fresh ears and open minds. It’s clear she isn’t over someone from her past and it’s not Liz or K. That leaves Dianna.

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May I also add, Karlie isn't the only NYC resident. Cornelia street is in West Village. So whoever Taylor was seeing at her apartment in 2016 was HER West Village, metaphorically speaking. Think about it, Taylor sang a non -single track, False God on the day Dianna showed up at her SNL show. "I still do it for you babe.."

DA. Thank you for saying this! This was a key part in my timeline analysis after Lover came out. She will always look back at her time on Cornelia Street, the West Village, with this person and be reminded of how they began.

[Guest]

I forgot about them both leaning into cottage core this year too. They’re cute lol with their merging lesbian ways.