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Liberal feminism is just slapping the word "empowerment" onto everything that men have using to oppress women and calling it a day.
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DaGuest wrote: ↑01 Nov 2021, 21:00Your known homophob has been invited even to the LGB alliance conference. Interesting right, how they invite homophobes to speak.Guest wrote: ↑01 Nov 2021, 18:40da you are the one crying about people calling you out for posting a known homophob and how you toooottttaaaallllyy arent one now. your actions have consequences, the fact that you expected, on a lesbian board none of the less, to not be called out and that this is a safe space for you to talk about her, tells us a lot about you.Chips wrote: ↑01 Nov 2021, 18:37OK, Anon. Enjoy your confected outrage.Guest wrote: ↑01 Nov 2021, 18:21Then stop posting about it if you dont belive in it? Anyone that just looks her book up knows what she talkes about in there, so for someone who apparently disagrees with her, you seem very interested to read a book that is mainly spreading her political lesbian believes. I saw you sometimes sharing Bindel stuff on the transsexual thread too, if you dont belive in the homophobic stuff she spreads, stop giving her homophobic ass attention and free publicity. There are enough real feminists out there that have the same views on TRAs as she does, give them a voice.
now leave, didnt you tell someone you would?
Your outrage is quite something, is she your ex or something?
Jup LGB Alliance is trash for inviting her and other poli lesbian homophobs like her, nothing new, what is your point? Are you mad people call out bullshit when they see it? Sounds like you feel personaly attracted, cause you resort to bs like "is she your ex". Fuck off back to Facebook with your shit.
Jeez its either the TRA troll or you poli lesbian trolls bother this thread.
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The political lesbianism annoys the fuck outta me. But I'm also not interested in spending that much time demonizing them right now. All these political lesbians are like 50+ and seem like a product of whatever strange lesbian feminist subculture they grew up in. I'd take them all over the bisexual tra handmaidens my own age because at least these older women are doing positive shit for women in these hella misogynistic times. I'm also not as worried because all the lesbian radfem spaces I'm in are aware of this and don't agree. It is what it is right now and we are fighting some very very difficult batles. So, I'm being careful about the purity game. Basically I call it out but I'm not trying to outrigt "cancel" any of these women from the fight if they're helping.
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So, in all fairness, are you also trying not to outright "cancel" the ANTI-GAY conservative right organizations as long as they are partners helping you fight against the evil transwomen? Would you agree with the hypocritical saying then that "the enemy of my enemy is always my friend"??DykeMirai wrote: ↑01 Nov 2021, 22:27The political lesbianism annoys the fuck outta me. But I'm also not interested in spending that much time demonizing them right now. All these political lesbians are like 50+ and seem like a product of whatever strange lesbian feminist subculture they grew up in. I'd take them all over the bisexual tra handmaidens my own age because at least these older women are doing positive shit for women in these hella misogynistic times. I'm also not as worried because all the lesbian radfem spaces I'm in are aware of this and don't agree. It is what it is right now and we are fighting some very very difficult batles. So, I'm being careful about the purity game. Basically I call it out but I'm not trying to outrigt "cancel" any of these women from the fight if they're helping.
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Both of you are stupid as fuck.Guest wrote: ↑01 Nov 2021, 23:07So, in all fairness, are you also trying not to outright "cancel" the ANTI-GAY conservative right organizations as long as they are partners helping you fight against the evil transwomen? Would you agree with the hypocritical saying then that "the enemy of my enemy is always my friend"??DykeMirai wrote: ↑01 Nov 2021, 22:27The political lesbianism annoys the fuck outta me. But I'm also not interested in spending that much time demonizing them right now. All these political lesbians are like 50+ and seem like a product of whatever strange lesbian feminist subculture they grew up in. I'd take them all over the bisexual tra handmaidens my own age because at least these older women are doing positive shit for women in these hella misogynistic times. I'm also not as worried because all the lesbian radfem spaces I'm in are aware of this and don't agree. It is what it is right now and we are fighting some very very difficult batles. So, I'm being careful about the purity game. Basically I call it out but I'm not trying to outrigt "cancel" any of these women from the fight if they're helping.
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Lol @ the TRA sarcastically saying evil transwomen. A group of males trying to silence lesbians who are victims of rape are, in fact, evil.
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x2 that reminds me of that transwoman Cherno Biko who raped that transman and it was all swept under a rug.Guest wrote: ↑01 Nov 2021, 23:22Lol @ the TRA sarcastically saying evil transwomen. A group of males trying to silence lesbians who are victims of rape are, in fact, evil.
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The fem in feminism stands for female. Transwomen aren’t female, they’re male.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 00:11Technically, this thread should be named "Feminism(s)." Because there exist many forms of feminism and feminist activism. Not just gender-critical (Trans-Exclusionary-Radical-Feminist) feminism, but also Trans-inclusionary radical feminism such as that supported by rad-fem scholars like Andrea Dworkin, Catherine MacKinnon, Gloria Steinem (her revised view), etc. To indirectly assert that talk about gender-critical feminism is the only feminist talk appropriate on a "lesbian" board is to wrongfully assume that all lesbian feminists here on the L-Chat self-identify as T.E.R.F.s (which is not the case at all, although many are disinclined to speak up). Any thoughts?
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Is it feminist to silence victims of sexual harassment and rape?Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 00:11Technically, this thread should be named "Feminism(s)." Because there exist many forms of feminism and feminist activism. Not just gender-critical (Trans-Exclusionary-Radical-Feminist) feminism, but also Trans-inclusionary radical feminism such as that supported by rad-fem scholars like Andrea Dworkin, Catherine MacKinnon, Gloria Steinem (her revised view), etc. To indirectly assert that talk about gender-critical feminism is the only feminist talk appropriate on a "lesbian" board is to wrongfully assume that all lesbian feminists here on the L-Chat self-identify as T.E.R.F.s (which is not the case at all, although many are disinclined to speak up). Any thoughts?
Is it feminist to believe a woman is someone who conforms to rigid gender roles and stereotypes?
Is it feminist to coerce lesbians to reexamine our "genital preference" to include males?
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The L Chat is a forum for women.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 00:11Technically, this thread should be named "Feminism(s)." Because there exist many forms of feminism and feminist activism. Not just gender-critical (Trans-Exclusionary-Radical-Feminist) feminism, but also Trans-inclusionary radical feminism such as that supported by rad-fem scholars like Andrea Dworkin, Catherine MacKinnon, Gloria Steinem (her revised view), etc. To indirectly assert that talk about gender-critical feminism is the only feminist talk appropriate on a "lesbian" board is to wrongfully assume that all lesbian feminists here on the L-Chat self-identify as T.E.R.F.s (which is not the case at all, although many are disinclined to speak up). Any thoughts?
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They called them males, which is a fact.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 00:33Why all the automatic name-calling above? That's a defensive response of immaturity. For a thread on the topic of "Feminism," it's surprising to see some (many?) of you readers here haven't matured past using that other more familiar (well, maybe to you) F-word
Are you going to answer my questions btw?
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Prostate owners don’t belong in feminism and they don’t belong on the lchat either.
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Thank you for using inclusive languageGuest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 00:44Prostate owners don’t belong in feminism and they don’t belong on the lchat either.
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DA. Are you aware you're speaking out of your ass?Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 01:20Are you aware that the gender-critical statement you just made above has ALREADY BEEN dissected and debated over the last 50 years among the different schools of Feminism? Are you aware that the gender-critical beliefs that morphed out of second-wave feminism have already been studied and critiqued... and its main harmful position against transgender women has been found to be based on hateful paranoia and not scientific reality?Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 00:15The fem in feminism stands for female. Transwomen aren’t female, they’re male.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 00:11Technically, this thread should be named "Feminism(s)." Because there exist many forms of feminism and feminist activism. Not just gender-critical (Trans-Exclusionary-Radical-Feminist) feminism, but also Trans-inclusionary radical feminism such as that supported by rad-fem scholars like Andrea Dworkin, Catherine MacKinnon, Gloria Steinem (her revised view), etc. To indirectly assert that talk about gender-critical feminism is the only feminist talk appropriate on a "lesbian" board is to wrongfully assume that all lesbian feminists here on the L-Chat self-identify as T.E.R.F.s (which is not the case at all, although many are disinclined to speak up). Any thoughts?
Explain to me how they aren't male. I'm listening.
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Don’t waste time arguing with the TRA. They think men who identify as women are female.
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Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 01:20Are you aware that the gender-critical statement you just made above has ALREADY BEEN dissected and debated over the last 50 years among the different schools of Feminism? Are you aware that the gender-critical beliefs that morphed out of second-wave feminism have already been studied and critiqued... and its main harmful position against transgender women has been found to be based on hateful paranoia and not scientific reality?Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 00:15The fem in feminism stands for female. Transwomen aren’t female, they’re male.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 00:11Technically, this thread should be named "Feminism(s)." Because there exist many forms of feminism and feminist activism. Not just gender-critical (Trans-Exclusionary-Radical-Feminist) feminism, but also Trans-inclusionary radical feminism such as that supported by rad-fem scholars like Andrea Dworkin, Catherine MacKinnon, Gloria Steinem (her revised view), etc. To indirectly assert that talk about gender-critical feminism is the only feminist talk appropriate on a "lesbian" board is to wrongfully assume that all lesbian feminists here on the L-Chat self-identify as T.E.R.F.s (which is not the case at all, although many are disinclined to speak up). Any thoughts?
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x2 go mansplain your feMENism elsewhere you disgusting trannyGuest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 00:15The fem in feminism stands for female. Transwomen aren’t female, they’re male.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 00:11Technically, this thread should be named "Feminism(s)." Because there exist many forms of feminism and feminist activism. Not just gender-critical (Trans-Exclusionary-Radical-Feminist) feminism, but also Trans-inclusionary radical feminism such as that supported by rad-fem scholars like Andrea Dworkin, Catherine MacKinnon, Gloria Steinem (her revised view), etc. To indirectly assert that talk about gender-critical feminism is the only feminist talk appropriate on a "lesbian" board is to wrongfully assume that all lesbian feminists here on the L-Chat self-identify as T.E.R.F.s (which is not the case at all, although many are disinclined to speak up). Any thoughts?
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The radical lesbian feminists who believe in political lesbianism and anti-femininity are stupid. Some believe long hair is unnautral because it requires upkeep and thus is a "modification" of a natural female. Short hair is seen as "lesbian identified" because it means a woman doesn't have to modify it through brushing or styling and they think all femininity was created by men to oppress women. I haven't found the historical source to prove this.
As for political lesbianism, some RLFs believe all little girls are naturally lesbians but leave their natural love for women because being with males is socially rewarded. It made sense to me for different reasons, one being that I found females attractive since I was 5, and then became aware of it at 9 and I had such an aversion to males around that time, seeing them as foreign, and couldn't understand how any female can find a male attractive. I struggled with expectations to be hetero so I worked hard to condition myself to be attracted to males on and off for a long time in the past but never achieved full attraction. All that engineered attraction fell away many years ago.
It seems just like I have never *not* been attracted to women even when I tried to find them disgusting in the past, and never been able to have full genuine attraction to men or have any attraction stick in the long run, there are hetero women who just can't stop being attracted to men and can't be fully attracted to women no matter how much they try to be bi or lesbian. It really is insulting to call it a choice when I have no control over getting physically turned on by everything about a woman yet some hetero women who hate porn and never got turned on by a woman can suddenly be a lesbian? (I'm not saying every lesbian likes porn, but it's telling how so many hetero radical feminists hate porn and can't understand being attracted to naked girls getting raunchy.) RLFs admitted that a lot of political lesbians went back to men in the 70s ffs. I think some younger ones go back to men too.
As for political lesbianism, some RLFs believe all little girls are naturally lesbians but leave their natural love for women because being with males is socially rewarded. It made sense to me for different reasons, one being that I found females attractive since I was 5, and then became aware of it at 9 and I had such an aversion to males around that time, seeing them as foreign, and couldn't understand how any female can find a male attractive. I struggled with expectations to be hetero so I worked hard to condition myself to be attracted to males on and off for a long time in the past but never achieved full attraction. All that engineered attraction fell away many years ago.
It seems just like I have never *not* been attracted to women even when I tried to find them disgusting in the past, and never been able to have full genuine attraction to men or have any attraction stick in the long run, there are hetero women who just can't stop being attracted to men and can't be fully attracted to women no matter how much they try to be bi or lesbian. It really is insulting to call it a choice when I have no control over getting physically turned on by everything about a woman yet some hetero women who hate porn and never got turned on by a woman can suddenly be a lesbian? (I'm not saying every lesbian likes porn, but it's telling how so many hetero radical feminists hate porn and can't understand being attracted to naked girls getting raunchy.) RLFs admitted that a lot of political lesbians went back to men in the 70s ffs. I think some younger ones go back to men too.
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Yes I do think it’s possible for some transwomen to be nice but like was mentioned earlier the fem in feminism is for female. I have zero interest in changing the meaning of feminism to include males.
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You already lost the plot when y'all decided to change the definition of woman to include males. And your comment makes 0 sense.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 02:36Okay look, does this make sense then..... the enemy of Feminism is NOT the community of transgender women who self-identify as transgender women. The enemy are those men who self-identify as men and who choose to think and act like patriarchal men. The enemy is NOT transgender women who dress and (so desperately want to) pass as women who need to pee in a safe place away from men. The enemy are those men who self-identify as men and intentionally cross-dress in order to access women's bathrooms to rape and molest.
Will there always be outliers (and out-liars) in these situations? OF COURSE. But I don't think the answer either is to demonize an entire community who on the whole self-identifies as women, chooses to dress and behave as women, and who just want to live their lives peacefully as women. THEY are not the enemy. Feminism's challenge, therefore, is two-fold: to distinguish the real enemy here -- patriarchal-thinking and -behaving self-identified males who intentionally choose to demean or harm women -- and to protect the integrity and inherent human worth of ALL of our women "sisters." What do you think?
"Men who self-identify as men"? They don't "self-identify" as anything. They are men and they know who their targets are. And there have been men who "self-identified as women" that raped girls in the women's restroom, so your argument doesn't hold water.
Also, what do you mean by "dress and behave as women"? Please, I'm all ears.
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Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 02:36Okay look, does this make sense then..... the enemy of Feminism is NOT the community of transgender women who self-identify as transgender women. The enemy are those men who self-identify as men and who choose to think and act like patriarchal men. The enemy is NOT transgender women who dress and (so desperately want to) pass as women who need to pee in a safe place away from men. The enemy are those men who self-identify as men and intentionally cross-dress in order to access women's bathrooms to rape and molest.
Will there always be outliers (and out-liars) in these situations? OF COURSE. But I don't think the answer either is to demonize an entire community who on the whole self-identifies as women, chooses to dress and behave as women, and who just want to live their lives peacefully as women. THEY are not the enemy. Feminism's challenge, therefore, is two-fold: to distinguish the real enemy here -- patriarchal-thinking and -behaving self-identified males who intentionally choose to demean or harm women -- and to protect the integrity and inherent human worth of ALL of our women "sisters." What do you think?
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Brainrotten TRA slur' lingo: Blah blah "proven wrong, debunked, dissected, critiqued, debated, studied" blah blahGuest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 01:20Are you aware that the gender-critical statement you just made above has ALREADY BEEN dissected and debated over the last 50 years among the different schools of Feminism? Are you aware that the gender-critical beliefs that morphed out of second-wave feminism have already been studied and critiqued... and its main harmful position against transgender women has been found to be based on hateful paranoia and not scientific reality?
They do the same for facts, science, biology, etc." "Sex binary 'myth' is debunked, outdated, so last century but 'latest, updated' science says otherwise"
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DA one of my favorite reaction gifsGuest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 02:51Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 02:36Okay look, does this make sense then..... the enemy of Feminism is NOT the community of transgender women who self-identify as transgender women. The enemy are those men who self-identify as men and who choose to think and act like patriarchal men. The enemy is NOT transgender women who dress and (so desperately want to) pass as women who need to pee in a safe place away from men. The enemy are those men who self-identify as men and intentionally cross-dress in order to access women's bathrooms to rape and molest.
Will there always be outliers (and out-liars) in these situations? OF COURSE. But I don't think the answer either is to demonize an entire community who on the whole self-identifies as women, chooses to dress and behave as women, and who just want to live their lives peacefully as women. THEY are not the enemy. Feminism's challenge, therefore, is two-fold: to distinguish the real enemy here -- patriarchal-thinking and -behaving self-identified males who intentionally choose to demean or harm women -- and to protect the integrity and inherent human worth of ALL of our women "sisters." What do you think?
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lol stop hating on heterosexual women, it's the bisexuals who pretend to be lesbians and force the idea that it's a choice to both heterosexuals and homosexualsGuest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 02:41The radical lesbian feminists who believe in political lesbianism and anti-femininity are stupid. Some believe long hair is unnautral because it requires upkeep and thus is a "modification" of a natural female. Short hair is seen as "lesbian identified" because it means a woman doesn't have to modify it through brushing or styling and they think all femininity was created by men to oppress women. I haven't found the historical source to prove this.
As for political lesbianism, some RLFs believe all little girls are naturally lesbians but leave their natural love for women because being with males is socially rewarded. It made sense to me for different reasons, one being that I found females attractive since I was 5, and then became aware of it at 9 and I had such an aversion to males around that time, seeing them as foreign, and couldn't understand how any female can find a male attractive. I struggled with expectations to be hetero so I worked hard to condition myself to be attracted to males on and off for a long time in the past but never achieved full attraction. All that engineered attraction fell away many years ago.
It seems just like I have never *not* been attracted to women even when I tried to find them disgusting in the past, and never been able to have full genuine attraction to men or have any attraction stick in the long run, there are hetero women who just can't stop being attracted to men and can't be fully attracted to women no matter how much they try to be bi or lesbian. It really is insulting to call it a choice when I have no control over getting physically turned on by everything about a woman yet some hetero women who hate porn and never got turned on by a woman can suddenly be a lesbian? (I'm not saying every lesbian likes porn, but it's telling how so many hetero radical feminists hate porn and can't understand being attracted to naked girls getting raunchy.) RLFs admitted that a lot of political lesbians went back to men in the 70s ffs. I think some younger ones go back to men too.
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I forgot to say bihet to include bisexuals. There are hetero women though who were never bisexual who chose to be polilez.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 02:55lol stop hating on heterosexual women, it's the bisexuals who pretend to be lesbians and force the idea that it's a choice to both heterosexuals and homosexualsGuest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 02:41The radical lesbian feminists who believe in political lesbianism and anti-femininity are stupid. Some believe long hair is unnautral because it requires upkeep and thus is a "modification" of a natural female. Short hair is seen as "lesbian identified" because it means a woman doesn't have to modify it through brushing or styling and they think all femininity was created by men to oppress women. I haven't found the historical source to prove this.
As for political lesbianism, some RLFs believe all little girls are naturally lesbians but leave their natural love for women because being with males is socially rewarded. It made sense to me for different reasons, one being that I found females attractive since I was 5, and then became aware of it at 9 and I had such an aversion to males around that time, seeing them as foreign, and couldn't understand how any female can find a male attractive. I struggled with expectations to be hetero so I worked hard to condition myself to be attracted to males on and off for a long time in the past but never achieved full attraction. All that engineered attraction fell away many years ago.
It seems just like I have never *not* been attracted to women even when I tried to find them disgusting in the past, and never been able to have full genuine attraction to men or have any attraction stick in the long run, there are hetero women who just can't stop being attracted to men and can't be fully attracted to women no matter how much they try to be bi or lesbian. It really is insulting to call it a choice when I have no control over getting physically turned on by everything about a woman yet some hetero women who hate porn and never got turned on by a woman can suddenly be a lesbian? (I'm not saying every lesbian likes porn, but it's telling how so many hetero radical feminists hate porn and can't understand being attracted to naked girls getting raunchy.) RLFs admitted that a lot of political lesbians went back to men in the 70s ffs. I think some younger ones go back to men too.
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DA. You haven't participated in any discussions at all. All you do is just regurgitate the same nonsense and don't answer any questions. You have yet to explain what "dress and behave as women" mean. How do those things make them female?Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 03:02Agreed. That is the main difference. I admit not all men who self-identify are transgender; some lie to demean and harm women. I was just talking about the majority of that community of (real and sincere) transgender women.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 01:28Don’t waste time arguing with the TRA. They think men who identify as women are female.
It seems that not many minds on here will be swayed one way or the other, which is fine as this world's so complex. Thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts in this thread; I have read and will continue to consider the other views, too.
I guess I've participated enough and won't "bug" the ongoing discussion anymore. Best of luck in whatever form of "feminism" or feminist activism calls to each of you. Take care and stay safe in the world.
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If they want to pee safely away from men, they should ask for transgender bathrooms, because women also deserve the rights to pee safely away from males (including those who identify as women)Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 02:36Okay look, does this make sense then..... the enemy of Feminism is NOT the community of transgender women who self-identify as transgender women. The enemy are those men who self-identify as men and who choose to think and act like patriarchal men. The enemy is NOT transgender women who dress and (so desperately want to) pass as women who need to pee in a safe place away from men. The enemy are those men who self-identify as men and intentionally cross-dress in order to access women's bathrooms to rape and molest.
Will there always be outliers (and out-liars) in these situations? OF COURSE. But I don't think the answer either is to demonize an entire community who on the whole self-identifies as women, chooses to dress and behave as women, and who just want to live their lives peacefully as women. THEY are not the enemy. Feminism's challenge, therefore, is two-fold: to distinguish the real enemy here -- patriarchal-thinking and -behaving self-identified males who intentionally choose to demean or harm women -- and to protect the integrity and inherent human worth of ALL of our women "sisters." What do you think?
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I can't say I relate to or understand this feeling, but I do know that many women suffer from this. When I was a teenager (dial-up internet times) I came across pro-ana forums and it as one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen. It's easy to see how these women will hang onto anything that promises a cure to their internal suffering. It's the therapists and doctors who are to blame here, instead of treating their patients' traumas and self-esteem they choose the easiest path of affirming their delusions, in this case, gender identity. I'm very sorry that adults and professionals around these women failed them, but I'd tell anyone who's in this situation to not give up looking for proper treatment, there are responsible therapists and doctors who really care and want to help.
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Psychotherapy doesn't work for everyone, you seem to be under an impression that it's a cure to all problems.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 18:54
I can't say I relate to or understand this feeling, but I do know that many women suffer from this. When I was a teenager (dial-up internet times) I came across pro-ana forums and it as one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen. It's easy to see how these women will hang onto anything that promises a cure to their internal suffering. It's the therapists and doctors who are to blame here, instead of treating their patients' traumas and self-esteem they choose the easiest path of affirming their delusions, in this case, gender identity. I'm very sorry that adults and professionals around these women failed them, but I'd tell anyone who's in this situation to not give up looking for proper treatment, there are responsible therapists and doctors who really care and want to help.
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Quite the opposite, my opinion is that cutting your boobs off is not a cure to all problems.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 19:23Psychotherapy doesn't work for everyone, you seem to be under an impression that it's a cure to all problems.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 18:54
I can't say I relate to or understand this feeling, but I do know that many women suffer from this. When I was a teenager (dial-up internet times) I came across pro-ana forums and it as one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen. It's easy to see how these women will hang onto anything that promises a cure to their internal suffering. It's the therapists and doctors who are to blame here, instead of treating their patients' traumas and self-esteem they choose the easiest path of affirming their delusions, in this case, gender identity. I'm very sorry that adults and professionals around these women failed them, but I'd tell anyone who's in this situation to not give up looking for proper treatment, there are responsible therapists and doctors who really care and want to help.
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How do you know when you can't relate to dysphoria?Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 19:34Quite the opposite, my opinion is that cutting your boobs off is not a cure to all problems.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 19:23Psychotherapy doesn't work for everyone, you seem to be under an impression that it's a cure to all problems.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 18:54
I can't say I relate to or understand this feeling, but I do know that many women suffer from this. When I was a teenager (dial-up internet times) I came across pro-ana forums and it as one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen. It's easy to see how these women will hang onto anything that promises a cure to their internal suffering. It's the therapists and doctors who are to blame here, instead of treating their patients' traumas and self-esteem they choose the easiest path of affirming their delusions, in this case, gender identity. I'm very sorry that adults and professionals around these women failed them, but I'd tell anyone who's in this situation to not give up looking for proper treatment, there are responsible therapists and doctors who really care and want to help.
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Because that's what detransiotioners say.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 19:40How do you know when you can't relate to dysphoria?Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 19:34Quite the opposite, my opinion is that cutting your boobs off is not a cure to all problems.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 19:23Psychotherapy doesn't work for everyone, you seem to be under an impression that it's a cure to all problems.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 18:54
I can't say I relate to or understand this feeling, but I do know that many women suffer from this. When I was a teenager (dial-up internet times) I came across pro-ana forums and it as one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen. It's easy to see how these women will hang onto anything that promises a cure to their internal suffering. It's the therapists and doctors who are to blame here, instead of treating their patients' traumas and self-esteem they choose the easiest path of affirming their delusions, in this case, gender identity. I'm very sorry that adults and professionals around these women failed them, but I'd tell anyone who's in this situation to not give up looking for proper treatment, there are responsible therapists and doctors who really care and want to help.
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But a lot of women don't even transition, they just have a top surgery and they are happy with it.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 19:44Because that's what detransiotioners say.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 19:40How do you know when you can't relate to dysphoria?Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 19:34Quite the opposite, my opinion is that cutting your boobs off is not a cure to all problems.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 19:23Psychotherapy doesn't work for everyone, you seem to be under an impression that it's a cure to all problems.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 18:54
I can't say I relate to or understand this feeling, but I do know that many women suffer from this. When I was a teenager (dial-up internet times) I came across pro-ana forums and it as one of the most horrifying things I've ever seen. It's easy to see how these women will hang onto anything that promises a cure to their internal suffering. It's the therapists and doctors who are to blame here, instead of treating their patients' traumas and self-esteem they choose the easiest path of affirming their delusions, in this case, gender identity. I'm very sorry that adults and professionals around these women failed them, but I'd tell anyone who's in this situation to not give up looking for proper treatment, there are responsible therapists and doctors who really care and want to help.
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Then these people aren't trans. I'm talking about trans/gender ideology.
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Is there an international women’s organization that can help girls in these types of situations?
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This you?Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 01:20Are you aware that the gender-critical statement you just made above has ALREADY BEEN dissected and debated over the last 50 years among the different schools of Feminism? Are you aware that the gender-critical beliefs that morphed out of second-wave feminism have already been studied and critiqued... and its main harmful position against transgender women has been found to be based on hateful paranoia and not scientific reality?Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 00:15The fem in feminism stands for female. Transwomen aren’t female, they’re male.Guest wrote: ↑02 Nov 2021, 00:11Technically, this thread should be named "Feminism(s)." Because there exist many forms of feminism and feminist activism. Not just gender-critical (Trans-Exclusionary-Radical-Feminist) feminism, but also Trans-inclusionary radical feminism such as that supported by rad-fem scholars like Andrea Dworkin, Catherine MacKinnon, Gloria Steinem (her revised view), etc. To indirectly assert that talk about gender-critical feminism is the only feminist talk appropriate on a "lesbian" board is to wrongfully assume that all lesbian feminists here on the L-Chat self-identify as T.E.R.F.s (which is not the case at all, although many are disinclined to speak up). Any thoughts?
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I wonder why they never sold their sons. Do they think the daughters can't help the family to bring food to the table.Guest wrote: ↑03 Nov 2021, 00:11Is there an international women’s organization that can help girls in these types of situations?
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Of course they value women and girls much less
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Yeah, I wish somebody would smuggle those girls out of the country.Guest wrote: ↑03 Nov 2021, 00:11Is there an international women’s organization that can help girls in these types of situations?
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So, there's no one who can help? What about the United Nations or do they not get involved in things like this?
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Guest wrote: ↑03 Nov 2021, 14:37Da. UN is a joke. It's not a progressive-cause-enforcing org but deals with many countries (cultural relativism? respecting their own cultures?), most of which are backwards third world. UN Women is busy screaming TWAW, etc.
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Guest wrote: ↑03 Nov 2021, 14:50UN is an organization consisting of like 200 countries, and most are conservative.Guest wrote: ↑03 Nov 2021, 14:37Da. UN is a joke. It's not a progressive-cause-enforcing org but deals with many countries (cultural relativism? respecting their own cultures?), most of which are backwards third world. UN Women is busy screaming TWAW, etc.
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"Front hole" They hate women and they're pushing this trans ideology to make girls damage their bodies.
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Sorry if this is somewhat OT - but I thought it would be the place to ask as gender ties in.
I’m mostly supportive of prison abolition and think the arguments for are very compelling, however when the question of “what about the rapists?” comes up, I’ve never read a very satisfactory solution.
Realistically, what could be done with the huge amount of men imprisoned for violent acts against women without prison? I don’t think rapists and the like can be reformed, and I don’t think reform for something so ingrained such as violence against women could exist without an entire dismantling of society as we know it which is totally unrealistic.
Is this just one of those issues that get shrugged at and thrown on the fence? I see lots of abolitionists make the argument of if you’re not fully supporting it you’re not supporting it at all but idk, that just doesn’t sit well with me because the concept as a whole is something I support. The safety and well-being of women is always at the forefront of my mind.
I’m mostly supportive of prison abolition and think the arguments for are very compelling, however when the question of “what about the rapists?” comes up, I’ve never read a very satisfactory solution.
Realistically, what could be done with the huge amount of men imprisoned for violent acts against women without prison? I don’t think rapists and the like can be reformed, and I don’t think reform for something so ingrained such as violence against women could exist without an entire dismantling of society as we know it which is totally unrealistic.
Is this just one of those issues that get shrugged at and thrown on the fence? I see lots of abolitionists make the argument of if you’re not fully supporting it you’re not supporting it at all but idk, that just doesn’t sit well with me because the concept as a whole is something I support. The safety and well-being of women is always at the forefront of my mind.
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Online I've seen one prison abolitionist who was honest enough to admit that she would like to see all violent offenders killed. Other than that yeah I've never seen anyone give an answer so the silence is pretty damning. I think some are very utopian people who think all human nature is just social conditioning and they truly believe everyone can be reformed. They also aren't accounting for people who are true psychopaths. To you I'd say trust your instincts and run away if those people actually end up getting their way.Guest wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 08:40Sorry if this is somewhat OT - but I thought it would be the place to ask as gender ties in.
I’m mostly supportive of prison abolition and think the arguments for are very compelling, however when the question of “what about the rapists?” comes up, I’ve never read a very satisfactory solution.
Realistically, what could be done with the huge amount of men imprisoned for violent acts against women without prison? I don’t think rapists and the like can be reformed, and I don’t think reform for something so ingrained such as violence against women could exist without an entire dismantling of society as we know it which is totally unrealistic.
Is this just one of those issues that get shrugged at and thrown on the fence? I see lots of abolitionists make the argument of if you’re not fully supporting it you’re not supporting it at all but idk, that just doesn’t sit well with me because the concept as a whole is something I support. The safety and well-being of women is always at the forefront of my mind.
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I'm not a prison abolitionist at all although I do think drug related crime like dealing or doing can be reformed.Guest wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 08:40Sorry if this is somewhat OT - but I thought it would be the place to ask as gender ties in.
I’m mostly supportive of prison abolition and think the arguments for are very compelling, however when the question of “what about the rapists?” comes up, I’ve never read a very satisfactory solution.
Realistically, what could be done with the huge amount of men imprisoned for violent acts against women without prison? I don’t think rapists and the like can be reformed, and I don’t think reform for something so ingrained such as violence against women could exist without an entire dismantling of society as we know it which is totally unrealistic.
Is this just one of those issues that get shrugged at and thrown on the fence? I see lots of abolitionists make the argument of if you’re not fully supporting it you’re not supporting it at all but idk, that just doesn’t sit well with me because the concept as a whole is something I support. The safety and well-being of women is always at the forefront of my mind.
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I don't understand how abolishing prisons is something anyone can even remotely entertain right now. Reform. OK. But this idea of totally getting rid of prisons or the police is gonna lead to a shit ton of vulnerable people getting hurt.Guest wrote: ↑04 Nov 2021, 08:40Sorry if this is somewhat OT - but I thought it would be the place to ask as gender ties in.
I’m mostly supportive of prison abolition and think the arguments for are very compelling, however when the question of “what about the rapists?” comes up, I’ve never read a very satisfactory solution.
Realistically, what could be done with the huge amount of men imprisoned for violent acts against women without prison? I don’t think rapists and the like can be reformed, and I don’t think reform for something so ingrained such as violence against women could exist without an entire dismantling of society as we know it which is totally unrealistic.
Is this just one of those issues that get shrugged at and thrown on the fence? I see lots of abolitionists make the argument of if you’re not fully supporting it you’re not supporting it at all but idk, that just doesn’t sit well with me because the concept as a whole is something I support. The safety and well-being of women is always at the forefront of my mind.
I also think no matter what there are always going to be populations of people that need to be removed from general society.
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