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I like Shoni but that scene under the Lychee tree was awkward as fuck and suspect any sex scene will be too.
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Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 06:22I like Shoni but that scene under the Lychee tree was awkward as fuck and suspect any sex scene will be too.
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Do the first three episodes establish the timeline where the boys are concerned? Is it made clear that early in the season whether their experiment starts before/during/after the girls?
Do the episodes establish any clearer how long the girls have been in the bunker for? Because that January date on the Nora/Martha box still bothers me.
Do the episodes establish any clearer how long the girls have been in the bunker for? Because that January date on the Nora/Martha box still bothers me.
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I'm kinda hoping their own friends told them the kissing was tame and awkward and that they need to do better. Maybe it helped, lol.
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To anyone who dislikes the Shoni kisses in s1, you get that they're supposed to be kinda sloppy, right? Shelby was reserved because it's the first time since Becca that she's allowed herself to feel for someone else, let alone go right into a kiss. Shelby was more timid and she didn't even know if Toni would reciprocate any feelings.
I hope spoiler anon isn't just hyping up these scenes, but I'm sure there was definitely better direction for this season.
I hope spoiler anon isn't just hyping up these scenes, but I'm sure there was definitely better direction for this season.
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Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 06:30Do the first three episodes establish the timeline where the boys are concerned? Is it made clear that early in the season whether their experiment starts before/during/after the girls?
Do the episodes establish any clearer how long the girls have been in the bunker for? Because that January date on the Nora/Martha box still bothers me.
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Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 08:07Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 06:30Do the first three episodes establish the timeline where the boys are concerned? Is it made clear that early in the season whether their experiment starts before/during/after the girls?
Do the episodes establish any clearer how long the girls have been in the bunker for? Because that January date on the Nora/Martha box still bothers me.
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Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 08:07Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 06:30Do the first three episodes establish the timeline where the boys are concerned? Is it made clear that early in the season whether their experiment starts before/during/after the girls?
Do the episodes establish any clearer how long the girls have been in the bunker for? Because that January date on the Nora/Martha box still bothers me.
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Beggars can't be choosers. At least the characters are interesting. I prefer bad kissing between good characters over great kissing between one dimensional characters.
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if you gonna be a negative nancy then gtfo
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The lychee tree was Shelbys first time and Toni was hesitant as she wanted shelby to be sure of course it’s awkward and they are playing teens like what you guys want some riverdale porn stuff. And the person already said the kissing will be better so let’s see the how s2 kisses are before we start being negative
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Da ngl watching their kisses after watching great lesbian kisses in other shows/movies was truly hilarious I was like really?
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Interesting characters maybe. But the pairing itself is an underwritten tropey bore. They're going to have to do a lot in the build-up in order to make me be able to watch these scenes and not immediately be taken out of them because my automatic thought is the fandom freaking out over getting the next chapter of their poorly disguised RPF.
I can't take 'Shoni' seriously as it is, it's way too underdeveloped on screen and there's a big blurred line between that and what happens off it. The actual kisses themselves don't even factor in it for me when it comes to this ship. I'd accept the worst kisses ever filmed if the writing of a pair is solid, but Shoni's really isn't.
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I actually find them very believable. They're sort of two sides of the same coin. Both driven by a need to survive their harsh reality. Both have never experienced a family that feels loving or safe. Both are afraid of not being worthy of love and ending up alone. Its interesting because what drives them is the same thing but they express it in completely opposite ways and somehow they balance each other out by bringing out what the other is always trying to hide/protect behind anger (Toni) and perfection (Shelby). They really do work for me conceptually. Some of it doesn't translate on screen because of the storytelling format. Its easy to miss the subtle hints and deeper meaning behind their interactions before the 7th episode because the writers tried to confuse the audience by making Martha a part of the equation. So on first viewing it seems like they randomly kiss out of nowhere and suddenly seem all soft for each other. But if you put what you learn from their individual backstories together, Shoni makes a hell of a lot of sense.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 11:52Interesting characters maybe. But the pairing itself is an underwritten tropey bore. They're going to have to do a lot in the build-up in order to make me be able to watch these scenes and not immediately be taken out of them because my automatic thought is the fandom freaking out over getting the next chapter of their poorly disguised RPF.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 11:01Beggars can't be choosers. At least the characters are interesting. I prefer bad kissing between good characters over great kissing between one dimensional characters.
I can't take 'Shoni' seriously as it is, it's way too underdeveloped on screen and there's a big blurred line between that and what happens off it. The actual kisses themselves don't even factor in it for me when it comes to this ship. I'd accept the worst kisses ever filmed if the writing of a pair is solid, but Shoni's really isn't.
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we got a real shoni hater here. what a jealous bitter bertha. Lmao
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X100Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 06:03crackshippers are the fucking worst!
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da. I watched it bc mia is hot and curiosity. there's def lots of room for improvement
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Da but yeah that sums it up and let's be honest even bad queer couple get following bc there's not much to pick from AND it got such big following within the show is because of the actors' friendship off screen which always draws in a particular deranged type of fan lmaoGuest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 11:52Interesting characters maybe. But the pairing itself is an underwritten tropey bore. They're going to have to do a lot in the build-up in order to make me be able to watch these scenes and not immediately be taken out of them because my automatic thought is the fandom freaking out over getting the next chapter of their poorly disguised RPF.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 11:01Beggars can't be choosers. At least the characters are interesting. I prefer bad kissing between good characters over great kissing between one dimensional characters.
I can't take 'Shoni' seriously as it is, it's way too underdeveloped on screen and there's a big blurred line between that and what happens off it. The actual kisses themselves don't even factor in it for me when it comes to this ship. I'd accept the worst kisses ever filmed if the writing of a pair is solid, but Shoni's really isn't.
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I agree with you that the characters are very interesting, I'd say all of the girls characters are but the pairing itself seems very "we need a gay couple on this show and there are two gay characters so they must be together, right?... let's make one of them a religious homophobe and the other one angry". You know, groundbreaking.
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Its called a "classic". lets be real Toni/Shelby are every High School AU fanfic come to life. If so many fanfic writers are doing such a pairing you can hardly be mad at a regular show writer doing the same. Also, you know what the truth is people like old fashioned tropes. People like character archetypes and romantic stories. Look at what is popular and the "groundbreaking" stuff isn't what people are shipping. People just want to moderately attractive actual ladies in somewhat dramatic romantic plot with a bit of angst.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:11I agree with you that the characters are very interesting, I'd say all of the girls characters are but the pairing itself seems very "we need a gay couple on this show and there are two gay characters so they must be together, right?... let's make one of them a religious homophobe and the other one angry". You know, groundbreaking.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 11:01Beggars can't be choosers. At least the characters are interesting. I prefer bad kissing between good characters over great kissing between one dimensional characters.
I was the OP that mentioned their kissing - I've got no issue with the writing. Its fine for a teen show but the kissing was awkward as hell. I feel like a sex scene involving them would make me uncomfortable.
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I'm not gonna complaint brcause usually we arw not allowed to get thropes ou well developed couples at all. In the Wilds, despite being a thrope, they are the main couple, both characters are interesting and have room to get better, the actresses ship shoni, are friends and the couple's story is believable.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:11I agree with you that the characters are very interesting, I'd say all of the girls characters are but the pairing itself seems very "we need a gay couple on this show and there are two gay characters so they must be together, right?... let's make one of them a religious homophobe and the other one angry". You know, groundbreaking.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 11:01Beggars can't be choosers. At least the characters are interesting. I prefer bad kissing between good characters over great kissing between one dimensional characters.
Let's see: atypical ended this year, dickinson ending too, motherland just one more seasom with 10min to the couple, other series the couples are not the main couple/don't get many of the storylines...so, I can deal with trophes here.
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On the plus side Warrior Nun should be back next year and First Kill should be out early 2022. I think there is a bit of a drought but alot of stuff got pushed back due the Covid as well.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:35I'm not gonna complaint brcause usually we arw not allowed to get thropes ou well developed couples at all. In the Wilds, despite being a thrope, they are the main couple, both characters are interesting and have room to get better, the actresses ship shoni, are friends and the couple's story is believable.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:11I agree with you that the characters are very interesting, I'd say all of the girls characters are but the pairing itself seems very "we need a gay couple on this show and there are two gay characters so they must be together, right?... let's make one of them a religious homophobe and the other one angry". You know, groundbreaking.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 11:01Beggars can't be choosers. At least the characters are interesting. I prefer bad kissing between good characters over great kissing between one dimensional characters.
Let's see: atypical ended this year, dickinson ending too, motherland just one more seasom with 10min to the couple, other series the couples are not the main couple/don't get many of the storylines...so, I can deal with trophes here.
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So you're basically saying you ship shoni because there's no other options on tv right now, that's sad but I get it. Also, my point stands that even mediocre gay couples will always have following I guess I hope one day we are equal to hets who have so many options out there they can dislike a het couple without being called trolls.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:35I'm not gonna complaint brcause usually we arw not allowed to get thropes ou well developed couples at all. In the Wilds, despite being a thrope, they are the main couple, both characters are interesting and have room to get better, the actresses ship shoni, are friends and the couple's story is believable.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:11I agree with you that the characters are very interesting, I'd say all of the girls characters are but the pairing itself seems very "we need a gay couple on this show and there are two gay characters so they must be together, right?... let's make one of them a religious homophobe and the other one angry". You know, groundbreaking.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 11:01Beggars can't be choosers. At least the characters are interesting. I prefer bad kissing between good characters over great kissing between one dimensional characters.
Let's see: atypical ended this year, dickinson ending too, motherland just one more seasom with 10min to the couple, other series the couples are not the main couple/don't get many of the storylines...so, I can deal with trophes here.
Btw if they include a m/m couple or a het couple when they all meet in whatever season that happens I doubt you could consider shoni the "main couple", they are just the only couple within the main cast in s1 because it was an all female cast, context is important.
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Yes, very excited about Warrior Nun!Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:42On the plus side Warrior Nun should be back next year and First Kill should be out early 2022. I think there is a bit of a drought but alot of stuff got pushed back due the Covid as well.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:35I'm not gonna complaint brcause usually we arw not allowed to get thropes ou well developed couples at all. In the Wilds, despite being a thrope, they are the main couple, both characters are interesting and have room to get better, the actresses ship shoni, are friends and the couple's story is believable.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:11I agree with you that the characters are very interesting, I'd say all of the girls characters are but the pairing itself seems very "we need a gay couple on this show and there are two gay characters so they must be together, right?... let's make one of them a religious homophobe and the other one angry". You know, groundbreaking.
Let's see: atypical ended this year, dickinson ending too, motherland just one more seasom with 10min to the couple, other series the couples are not the main couple/don't get many of the storylines...so, I can deal with trophes here.
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Do you have reading problems? I wrote why I like the couple and its clear. I'm just saying that I, as a lesbian, had little experience watching couple tropes, couples classic stories or whatever you say these days. I watched heterossexuals couples getting fanfic stories/classic troped all the time, but not lesbian couples. The other couples that seems interesting to me and are not tropes are ending or don't get the same treatment as the wilds give or seems that will give to shoni.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:45So you're basically saying you ship shoni because there's no other options on tv right now, that's sad but I get it. Also, my point stands that even mediocre gay couples will always have following I guess I hope one day we are equal to hets who have so many options out there they can dislike a het couple without being called trolls.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:35I'm not gonna complaint brcause usually we arw not allowed to get thropes ou well developed couples at all. In the Wilds, despite being a thrope, they are the main couple, both characters are interesting and have room to get better, the actresses ship shoni, are friends and the couple's story is believable.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:11I agree with you that the characters are very interesting, I'd say all of the girls characters are but the pairing itself seems very "we need a gay couple on this show and there are two gay characters so they must be together, right?... let's make one of them a religious homophobe and the other one angry". You know, groundbreaking.
Let's see: atypical ended this year, dickinson ending too, motherland just one more seasom with 10min to the couple, other series the couples are not the main couple/don't get many of the storylines...so, I can deal with trophes here.
Btw if they include a m/m couple or a het couple when they all meet in whatever season that happens I doubt you could consider shoni the "main couple", they are just the only couple within the main cast in s1 because it was an all female cast, context is important.
I like non classic AND classic stories if the characters are interesting (which in this case they are), so yes I like shoni despite you saying that they are boring because they are a predictable story in the show.
Please, don't make fake assumptions just to support your rhetoric.
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Shoni is awesome and we're so luck... I mean,they're both cute, alive and none of them is a queertard, I can't ask for more
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X2 They are both lesbians and we already know they're endgame, so even the angst is going to be enjoyable. So tired of lesbian couples never getting a HEA because they have to be tragic or the storytelling has to be unique. I loved Catradora even though they were tropey as hell because sometimes tropes are wholesome.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 14:35Shoni is awesome and we're so luck... I mean,they're both cute, alive and none of them is a queertard, I can't ask for more
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daGuest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:55Do you have reading problems? I wrote why I like the couple and its clear. I'm just saying that I, as a lesbian, had little experience watching couple tropes, couples classic stories or whatever you say these days. I watched heterossexuals couples getting fanfic stories/classic troped all the time, but not lesbian couples. The other couples that seems interesting to me and are not tropes are ending or don't get the same treatment as the wilds give or seems that will give to shoni.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:45So you're basically saying you ship shoni because there's no other options on tv right now, that's sad but I get it. Also, my point stands that even mediocre gay couples will always have following I guess I hope one day we are equal to hets who have so many options out there they can dislike a het couple without being called trolls.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:35I'm not gonna complaint brcause usually we arw not allowed to get thropes ou well developed couples at all. In the Wilds, despite being a thrope, they are the main couple, both characters are interesting and have room to get better, the actresses ship shoni, are friends and the couple's story is believable.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:11I agree with you that the characters are very interesting, I'd say all of the girls characters are but the pairing itself seems very "we need a gay couple on this show and there are two gay characters so they must be together, right?... let's make one of them a religious homophobe and the other one angry". You know, groundbreaking.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 11:01
Beggars can't be choosers. At least the characters are interesting. I prefer bad kissing between good characters over great kissing between one dimensional characters.
Let's see: atypical ended this year, dickinson ending too, motherland just one more seasom with 10min to the couple, other series the couples are not the main couple/don't get many of the storylines...so, I can deal with trophes here.
Btw if they include a m/m couple or a het couple when they all meet in whatever season that happens I doubt you could consider shoni the "main couple", they are just the only couple within the main cast in s1 because it was an all female cast, context is important.
I like non classic AND classic stories if the characters are interesting (which in this case they are), so yes I like shoni despite you saying that they are boring because they are a predictable story in the show.
Please, don't make fake assumptions just to support your rhetoric.
gurl, please ignore this idiot. it is obviously trolling.
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just ignore the losers trolling this threadGuest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 15:03daGuest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:55Do you have reading problems? I wrote why I like the couple and its clear. I'm just saying that I, as a lesbian, had little experience watching couple tropes, couples classic stories or whatever you say these days. I watched heterossexuals couples getting fanfic stories/classic troped all the time, but not lesbian couples. The other couples that seems interesting to me and are not tropes are ending or don't get the same treatment as the wilds give or seems that will give to shoni.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:45So you're basically saying you ship shoni because there's no other options on tv right now, that's sad but I get it. Also, my point stands that even mediocre gay couples will always have following I guess I hope one day we are equal to hets who have so many options out there they can dislike a het couple without being called trolls.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:35I'm not gonna complaint brcause usually we arw not allowed to get thropes ou well developed couples at all. In the Wilds, despite being a thrope, they are the main couple, both characters are interesting and have room to get better, the actresses ship shoni, are friends and the couple's story is believable.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 13:11
I agree with you that the characters are very interesting, I'd say all of the girls characters are but the pairing itself seems very "we need a gay couple on this show and there are two gay characters so they must be together, right?... let's make one of them a religious homophobe and the other one angry". You know, groundbreaking.
Let's see: atypical ended this year, dickinson ending too, motherland just one more seasom with 10min to the couple, other series the couples are not the main couple/don't get many of the storylines...so, I can deal with trophes here.
Btw if they include a m/m couple or a het couple when they all meet in whatever season that happens I doubt you could consider shoni the "main couple", they are just the only couple within the main cast in s1 because it was an all female cast, context is important.
I like non classic AND classic stories if the characters are interesting (which in this case they are), so yes I like shoni despite you saying that they are boring because they are a predictable story in the show.
Please, don't make fake assumptions just to support your rhetoric.
gurl, please ignore this idiot. it is obviously trolling.
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x3 Hear, hear!Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 14:45X2 They are both lesbians and we already know they're endgame, so even the angst is going to be enjoyable. So tired of lesbian couples never getting a HEA because they have to be tragic or the storytelling has to be unique. I loved Catradora even though they were tropey as hell because sometimes tropes are wholesome.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 14:35Shoni is awesome and we're so luck... I mean,they're both cute, alive and none of them is a queertard, I can't ask for more
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I'm not so sure it's the format of the show that's responsible for the entirety of Shoni being seen from Shelby's POV.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 12:38I actually find them very believable. They're sort of two sides of the same coin. Both driven by a need to survive their harsh reality. Both have never experienced a family that feels loving or safe. Both are afraid of not being worthy of love and ending up alone. Its interesting because what drives them is the same thing but they express it in completely opposite ways and somehow they balance each other out by bringing out what the other is always trying to hide/protect behind anger (Toni) and perfection (Shelby). They really do work for me conceptually. Some of it doesn't translate on screen because of the storytelling format. Its easy to miss the subtle hints and deeper meaning behind their interactions before the 7th episode because the writers tried to confuse the audience by making Martha a part of the equation. So on first viewing it seems like they randomly kiss out of nowhere and suddenly seem all soft for each other. But if you put what you learn from their individual backstories together, Shoni makes a hell of a lot of sense.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 11:52Interesting characters maybe. But the pairing itself is an underwritten tropey bore. They're going to have to do a lot in the build-up in order to make me be able to watch these scenes and not immediately be taken out of them because my automatic thought is the fandom freaking out over getting the next chapter of their poorly disguised RPF.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 11:01Beggars can't be choosers. At least the characters are interesting. I prefer bad kissing between good characters over great kissing between one dimensional characters.
I can't take 'Shoni' seriously as it is, it's way too underdeveloped on screen and there's a big blurred line between that and what happens off it. The actual kisses themselves don't even factor in it for me when it comes to this ship. I'd accept the worst kisses ever filmed if the writing of a pair is solid, but Shoni's really isn't.
There's nothing there of Toni's feelings on it. And that for me is why I struggle with getting on board with it, that's where the underwritten feeling comes from - not the time jumps inadvertently skipping over their development. We could probably decide Toni's feelings if we want to put them there and fill in the gaps of the relationship to give it the whys and the hows (as you have pretty much done), but it isn't explicitly on the screen as such, not to the same extent we see Shelby's feelings. And I wouldn't say the episode order is behind that either, because there are other relationships in the show which developed equally on both sides despite said development happening in episodes that weren't designated to the characters involved.
Shoni S1 needed more of Toni's take. It was a deliberate choice to frame it as Shelby's story and that's fine to an extent. But the balance really needs to swing the other way, the viewer can't be doing all the work for the writers.
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But Toni was written to believe that all the assumptions she made about Shelby based on stereotypes were true, only to have them flipped in a second when Shelby kissed her. It's obvious Shelby irks her from the beginning, but from the moment they have that heated conversation in Ep 4 she is also intrigued by her. It's telling that Toni chooses to seek Shelby out to comfort her after Leah attacks her. She had no reason to. Shelby had been homophobic towards her and was a threat to her friendship with Martha, but Toni still went. Out of curiosity (Shelby did save her life after all), empathy, something else. I think Toni found Shelby incredibly confusing up till that point, but the second Shelby kissed her she just understood her. And after that there are so many moments where you can see she cares in Ep 8. Clearly Toni's feelings started developing way after Shelby's, but that's because Shelby didn't quite make sense to her for a long time. We also didn't get to see a whole bunch of days between Shelby's breakdown and the lychee tree incident. They might have had the chance to interact more during that time. Like she obviously likes her enough to want to spend time with her by Ep 9, which is why she tells Martha they should take Shelby when they go searching for food. I agree that they should've shown more of Toni's side, but the problem is it probably happened during the days that we didn't see on screen. I don't know why they made that creative decision.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 15:22I'm not so sure it's the format of the show that's responsible for the entirety of Shoni being seen from Shelby's POV.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 12:38I actually find them very believable. They're sort of two sides of the same coin. Both driven by a need to survive their harsh reality. Both have never experienced a family that feels loving or safe. Both are afraid of not being worthy of love and ending up alone. Its interesting because what drives them is the same thing but they express it in completely opposite ways and somehow they balance each other out by bringing out what the other is always trying to hide/protect behind anger (Toni) and perfection (Shelby). They really do work for me conceptually. Some of it doesn't translate on screen because of the storytelling format. Its easy to miss the subtle hints and deeper meaning behind their interactions before the 7th episode because the writers tried to confuse the audience by making Martha a part of the equation. So on first viewing it seems like they randomly kiss out of nowhere and suddenly seem all soft for each other. But if you put what you learn from their individual backstories together, Shoni makes a hell of a lot of sense.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 11:52Interesting characters maybe. But the pairing itself is an underwritten tropey bore. They're going to have to do a lot in the build-up in order to make me be able to watch these scenes and not immediately be taken out of them because my automatic thought is the fandom freaking out over getting the next chapter of their poorly disguised RPF.
I can't take 'Shoni' seriously as it is, it's way too underdeveloped on screen and there's a big blurred line between that and what happens off it. The actual kisses themselves don't even factor in it for me when it comes to this ship. I'd accept the worst kisses ever filmed if the writing of a pair is solid, but Shoni's really isn't.
There's nothing there of Toni's feelings on it. And that for me is why I struggle with getting on board with it, that's where the underwritten feeling comes from - not the time jumps inadvertently skipping over their development. We could probably decide Toni's feelings if we want to put them there and fill in the gaps of the relationship to give it the whys and the hows (as you have pretty much done), but it isn't explicitly on the screen as such, not to the same extent we see Shelby's feelings. And I wouldn't say the episode order is behind that either, because there are other relationships in the show which developed equally on both sides despite said development happening in episodes that weren't designated to the characters involved.
Shoni S1 needed more of Toni's take. It was a deliberate choice to frame it as Shelby's story and that's fine to an extent. But the balance really needs to swing the other way, the viewer can't be doing all the work for the writers.
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What does that have to do with anything? How does creating a fictional scenario for a fictional tv show equate that? You make no sense. None at all.
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For me I thought they had chemistry from the beginning and were building up to the relationship the whole time from both sides. I didn’t know anything about the show beforehand so I didn’t see any promos or fan service stuff to indicate who was gay and who’d they pair up.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 15:22I'm not so sure it's the format of the show that's responsible for the entirety of Shoni being seen from Shelby's POV.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 12:38I actually find them very believable. They're sort of two sides of the same coin. Both driven by a need to survive their harsh reality. Both have never experienced a family that feels loving or safe. Both are afraid of not being worthy of love and ending up alone. Its interesting because what drives them is the same thing but they express it in completely opposite ways and somehow they balance each other out by bringing out what the other is always trying to hide/protect behind anger (Toni) and perfection (Shelby). They really do work for me conceptually. Some of it doesn't translate on screen because of the storytelling format. Its easy to miss the subtle hints and deeper meaning behind their interactions before the 7th episode because the writers tried to confuse the audience by making Martha a part of the equation. So on first viewing it seems like they randomly kiss out of nowhere and suddenly seem all soft for each other. But if you put what you learn from their individual backstories together, Shoni makes a hell of a lot of sense.Guest wrote: ↑21 Sep 2021, 11:52Interesting characters maybe. But the pairing itself is an underwritten tropey bore. They're going to have to do a lot in the build-up in order to make me be able to watch these scenes and not immediately be taken out of them because my automatic thought is the fandom freaking out over getting the next chapter of their poorly disguised RPF.
I can't take 'Shoni' seriously as it is, it's way too underdeveloped on screen and there's a big blurred line between that and what happens off it. The actual kisses themselves don't even factor in it for me when it comes to this ship. I'd accept the worst kisses ever filmed if the writing of a pair is solid, but Shoni's really isn't.
There's nothing there of Toni's feelings on it. And that for me is why I struggle with getting on board with it, that's where the underwritten feeling comes from - not the time jumps inadvertently skipping over their development. We could probably decide Toni's feelings if we want to put them there and fill in the gaps of the relationship to give it the whys and the hows (as you have pretty much done), but it isn't explicitly on the screen as such, not to the same extent we see Shelby's feelings. And I wouldn't say the episode order is behind that either, because there are other relationships in the show which developed equally on both sides despite said development happening in episodes that weren't designated to the characters involved.
Shoni S1 needed more of Toni's take. It was a deliberate choice to frame it as Shelby's story and that's fine to an extent. But the balance really needs to swing the other way, the viewer can't be doing all the work for the writers.
Toni’s intense feelings for Shelby was borderline obsessive in the beginning. Shelby really got under her skin and I feel like Toni couldn’t figure out why Shelby effected her the way she did. Her initial reaction to change or things she perceives as threats is anger, but I figured it was building towards opening up to each other and the intense feelings shifting from anger to romantic. Plus, they were always glancing at each other or hovering near each other in scenes or in the background. The beach scene where Shelby kicks Toni, I remember saying, just kiss already! And I figured while they were pushing each other’s buttons in that scene, it was also kind of like foreplay? Like I could totally see Toni being angry with how Shelby so easily pushed her buttons but also a little turned on and had her even more obsessed with thinking about her afterwards.
I do hope we get some reaction from the others on them. Other than Fatin, the other girls think they pretty much hate each other.
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Guest wrote: ↑20 Sep 2021, 06:13spoilerydoilerly wrote: ↑20 Sep 2021, 04:24Hey, just wanna come up on here about spoilers and say that I've seen photos taken of the AmazonPrime previews, and have cross-referenced two separate people's (with no knowledge of each other) accounts. The spoilers line up, they're all true.
I'm most excited for Shoni - they're REAL cute in the first few episodes from what I've heard/seen - and there's a LOTTA Leachel, plus a few Leatin moments sprinkled in. It's gonna be a doozy!
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not going to lie, this back and forth is entertaining me. i love watching from the sidelines
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You already called the posters who don't like Shoni trolls, and now you've used hater. You just need to post again calling them anti's and then you'll be able to shout bingo.
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