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I's so well expressed I could feel her pain! so much said on few words. amazing! sad! a perfect play for Vk KwSez wrote: ↑25 Jul 2021, 12:34I feel like this is another subtle example of Tallie's cage. Finney is the devil incarnate and she's unfortunately bound to him, she has so much spirit and vitality and could contribute to the world but can't given society at the time, and she's living with daily abuse of all sorts. For me this scene illustrates more heartbreak, she wants to have children but not to that low life Finney. So again she's reminded of the cage that she sadly has been confined to. She's robbed of agency, choice, children and now the love of her life,Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2021, 12:07I never quite understood Tallie’s expression in this scene. Her eyes well up with tears.
I couldn’t tell if she wanted to give Finney kids or not. I feel as if she did not from her
expression. What do folks think? Did Tallie want to be tied down with kids especially Finney’s?
Abigail. Her heart is in shreds, this is why their love story is so beautiful. It wasn't just a story about love, it was a story about two people who saved each other, their love for one another kept them afloat in a world that was cold, lonely and hopeless. Even though thsir love was short lived sorry for being dramatic
I completely agree. I won't get tired If stay contemplates this beautiful picture for a lot of minutes.
The lower, it's like there are a universe of love and meanings without the necessity of words. Just the presence its enough.
It was pity sex and it only happened once before Tallie and Abigail's first kiss before they became intimate. It's quite clear that that Abigail and Dyer’s marriage was over and they were only together as a business arrangement. Even after Tallie's death Abigail is only interested in cultivating her imagination and daydreaming about Tallie.Guest wrote: ↑25 Jul 2021, 14:04It was nasty how Abigail had sex with Dyer while having feelings for Tallie, she didn't knew whom she wants, she was having sex with both Dyer and Tallie.
It still makes me tear up, this masterpiece has fucking changed me forever.
They both do! Vanessa definitely took lessons as a kid (and broke her leg getting on a horse somehow) and I think Katherine did as well.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2021, 22:29Is it me or do both Katherine and Vanessa seem to have experience knowing how to ride horses? They seem so at ease with
riding. Although LOL, Affleck mentioned he could not get his horse walk where he wanted to go and also made fun o Chris Abbot for not being able to handle the horses on the wagon. LOL, it's funny, as if the horses loved the gals and didn't care for the boys.
Hah! LOL, since they both come from well-to-do families, I guest they must have had lessons when they were young at camp? I never watched the Crown but I was thinking maybe Princess Margaret had riding scenes probably.Guest wrote: ↑25 Jul 2021, 22:35They both do! Vanessa definitely took lessons as a kid (and broke her leg getting on a horse somehow) and I think Katherine did as well.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2021, 22:29Is it me or do both Katherine and Vanessa seem to have experience knowing how to ride horses? They seem so at ease with
riding. Although LOL, Affleck mentioned he could not get his horse walk where he wanted to go and also made fun o Chris Abbot for not being able to handle the horses on the wagon. LOL, it's funny, as if the horses loved the gals and didn't care for the boys.
Haha yes!Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2021, 23:02Hah! LOL, since they both come from well-to-do families, I guest they must have had lessons when they were young at camp? I never watched the Crown but I was thinking maybe Princess Margaret had riding scenes probably.Guest wrote: ↑25 Jul 2021, 22:35They both do! Vanessa definitely took lessons as a kid (and broke her leg getting on a horse somehow) and I think Katherine did as well.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑25 Jul 2021, 22:29Is it me or do both Katherine and Vanessa seem to have experience knowing how to ride horses? They seem so at ease with
riding. Although LOL, Affleck mentioned he could not get his horse walk where he wanted to go and also made fun o Chris Abbot for not being able to handle the horses on the wagon. LOL, it's funny, as if the horses loved the gals and didn't care for the boys.
I just love that the men ironically stunk at it.
I love the adoring look of Tallie towards Abigail, in the upper one. Pure love in her eyes.
Plus, Abigail probably hadn't realised her feelings at that point. She had only met Tallie three times, that we know of.Guest wrote: ↑25 Jul 2021, 20:31It was pity sex and it only happened once before Tallie and Abigail's first kiss before they became intimate. It's quite clear that that Abigail and Dyer’s marriage was over and they were only together as a business arrangement. Even after Tallie's death Abigail is only interested in cultivating her imagination and daydreaming about Tallie.Guest wrote: ↑25 Jul 2021, 14:04It was nasty how Abigail had sex with Dyer while having feelings for Tallie, she didn't knew whom she wants, she was having sex with both Dyer and Tallie.
Is it that bad? Which rating do you mean?Guest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 05:25It surprises me the rating for TWTC isn't that high. With such casting, script, actor performance, detailing; although I didn't expect it to be mountain high, it still underrated, imo. I hope Tallie's death isn't the major cause of this.
I wouldn’t take any stock in the IMDb rating. Lots of 1 star reviews from homophobes which skewers the ratings.Guest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 05:25It surprises me the rating for TWTC isn't that high. With such casting, script, actor performance, detailing; although I didn't expect it to be mountain high, it still underrated, imo. I hope Tallie's death isn't the major cause of this.
Quite frankly if Tallie's death is reason for a low rating, then some critics should quiet their jobs. One even actually wrote that it lacks warmth and left her with a shiver... I mean WTF?!?!Guest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 05:25It surprises me the rating for TWTC isn't that high. With such casting, script, actor performance, detailing; although I didn't expect it to be mountain high, it still underrated, imo. I hope Tallie's death isn't the major cause of this.
I've always liked her since Alien Covenant, then loved her even more in Fantastic Beasts (even though her sister was my favourite character). But I didn't really understand her range until I saw this film, so now I think I'm gonna binge her other films.
Hey, im like you, i only started binging her movies after TWTC but her acting in Amundsen haunts me the most. The way she looked and laughed with that dude on the bed talking about santa claus , I can't get that picture out of my head. The possibility of her hiding some Norwegian old dude somewhere in her London flat terrifies me. Mona is norwegian, that movie is about norwegian explorer; see that connection? what if that 60-ish man is the father of her child and thats why she can be so carefree simping for her co-star in public. I know it's just acting but my mind ran wild after that movie. The fact that the age gap with adam rapp was big didn't help me sleep at night either.Guest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 08:57I've always liked her since Alien Covenant, then loved her even more in Fantastic Beasts (even though her sister was my favourite character). But I didn't really understand her range until I saw this film, so now I think I'm gonna binge her other films.
I love this scene but I can’t get myself to believe they wouldn’t be on edge about Dyer or Finney walking in on them only because I don’t understand how they would have so much time to have sex or even relax? How were they so sure they had time to make love?Guest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 04:13I love the adoring look of Tallie towards Abigail, in the upper one. Pure love in her eyes.
I´m forever traumatized by this movie
Yeah, I think you have to employ a little suspension of disbelief with that.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 09:35I love this scene but I can’t get myself to believe they wouldn’t be on edge about Dyer or Finney walking in on them only because I don’t understand how they would have so much time to have sex or even relax? How were they so sure they had time to make love?
True Anon . lol, heck I think I’ve suspended at least an entire day just to imagine all the glorious love making I wanted them to haveGuest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 09:40Yeah, I think you have to employ a little suspension of disbelief with that.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 09:35I love this scene but I can’t get myself to believe they wouldn’t be on edge about Dyer or Finney walking in on them only because I don’t understand how they would have so much time to have sex or even relax? How were they so sure they had time to make love?Guest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 04:13I love the adoring look of Tallie towards Abigail, in the upper one. Pure love in her eyes.
I´m forever traumatized by this movie
I've always liked her since Alien Covenant, then loved her even more in Fantastic Beasts (even though her sister was my favourite character). But I didn't really understand her range until I saw this film, so now I think I'm gonna binge her other films.Guest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 09:23Hey, im like you, i only started binging her movies after TWTC but her acting in Amundsen haunts me the most. The way she looked and laughed with that dude on the bed talking about santa claus , I can't get that picture out of my head. The possibility of her hiding some Norwegian old dude somewhere in her London flat terrifies me. Mona is norwegian, that movie is about norwegian explorer; see that connection? what if that 60-ish man is the father of her child and thats why she can be so carefree simping for her co-star in public. I know it's just acting but my mind ran wild after that movie. The fact that the age gap with adam rapp was big didn't help me sleep at night either.Guest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 08:57I've always liked her since Alien Covenant, then loved her even more in Fantastic Beasts (even though her sister was my favourite character). But I didn't really understand her range until I saw this film, so now I think I'm gonna binge her other films.
Her partner I thinkGuestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 10:03I was thinking if Katherine had covid in March 2020, I wonder who took care of her son while she was in the hospital and also would she had to be quarantined from him for several weeks? She said she didn’t see her family for a year. Wonder if she had a nanny.
Hell if Dyer was a sane man and he walked in on Abigail and Tallie in throes of passion, he would grab the shotgun, kill Finney approach the two women and say; Menage A Trois?Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 09:35I love this scene but I can’t get myself to believe they wouldn’t be on edge about Dyer or Finney walking in on them only because I don’t understand how they would have so much time to have sex or even relax? How were they so sure they had time to make love?
Just to be clear, I was referring more of how a lot of period pieces have characters not shave underarm, etc.. I wasn't referring to private areas LOL, just realized this questions may have not been clear.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 09:28Just realized something about the sex scene, would women have shaved in the 1800s? Not that I would change anything.
LOLGuest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 10:20Hell if Dyer was a sane man and he walked in on Abigail and Tallie in throes of passion, he would grab the shotgun, kill Finney approach the two women and say; Menage A Trois?Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 09:35I love this scene but I can’t get myself to believe they wouldn’t be on edge about Dyer or Finney walking in on them only because I don’t understand how they would have so much time to have sex or even relax? How were they so sure they had time to make love?Guest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 04:13I love the adoring look of Tallie towards Abigail, in the upper one. Pure love in her eyes.
I´m forever traumatized by this movie
I doubt it's historically accurate but I read once that women didn't start shaving their under arms until early 1900's. It's sooooo gross lol. I know that was the times and it was considered normal but it's still gross. In period pieces I wish they wouldn't show it, we know it's there but don't visualise it lol.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:01Just to be clear, I was referring more of how a lot of period pieces have characters not shave underarm, etc.. I wasn't referring to private areas LOL, just realized this questions may have not been clear.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 09:28Just realized something about the sex scene, would women have shaved in the 1800s? Not that I would change anything.
I disagree I don’t think it’s gross at all, I really don’t understand what people have against it. It’s just hair, like the hair we’ve got on our head.. anyway, I’m really glad some period dramas have started showing the characters armpit hair because it feels so unrealistic looking at someone being shaved when the film is set in like the 1800s or even earlier.. well you could say the same about teeth, though. People’s teeth were much worse earlier, I mean.Sez wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:36I doubt it's historically accurate but I read once that women didn't start shaving their under arms until early 1900's. It's sooooo gross lol. I know that was the times and it was considered normal but it's still gross. In period pieces I wish they wouldn't show it, we know it's there but don't visualise it lol.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:01Just to be clear, I was referring more of how a lot of period pieces have characters not shave underarm, etc.. I wasn't referring to private areas LOL, just realized this questions may have not been clear.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 09:28Just realized something about the sex scene, would women have shaved in the 1800s? Not that I would change anything.
I agree about FB2, it sucked and everything great about the first film was dumped. I still have hope for FB3, but if that sucks, then I am tuning out. The first Alien movie is a classic and is IMO the best film of the series, the second film is amazing and is by far one of the best sequels of all time, didn’t like 3 or Resurrection. AVP sucks, they both suck.wrote:Guest post_id=3575119 time=1627298884]
OT but Fantastic Beasts 2 sucked. All the good about the first film was thrown into the dumpster. Only the first movie of thE Alien franchise is truly good. But I do still enjoy the whole thing and have probably watched every single one except that alien v. predators one. Gonna watch Inherent Vice and will check out the others mentioned here.
Aa for the sex scene in TWTC, I think it shouldn't be viewed realistically like it was really what happened between Abigail and Tallie. The way it was presented in the film, it feels like it's more a memory with the usual imperfection and mixed with fantasy.
DA. Bit of an overreaction over some hair, don't you think? Not like men shave their pitts, even today.Sez wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:36I doubt it's historically accurate but I read once that women didn't start shaving their under arms until early 1900's. It's sooooo gross lol. I know that was the times and it was considered normal but it's still gross. In period pieces I wish they wouldn't show it, we know it's there but don't visualise it lol.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:01Just to be clear, I was referring more of how a lot of period pieces have characters not shave underarm, etc.. I wasn't referring to private areas LOL, just realized this questions may have not been clear.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 09:28Just realized something about the sex scene, would women have shaved in the 1800s? Not that I would change anything.
Where they tho? I mean nowdays we have soda, coffee, smoking, all these drugs and stuffGuest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:41I disagree I don’t think it’s gross at all, I really don’t understand what people have against it. It’s just hair, like the hair we’ve got on our head.. anyway, I’m really glad some period dramas have started showing the characters armpit hair because it feels so unrealistic looking at someone being shaved when the film is set in like the 1800s or even earlier.. well you could say the same about teeth, though. People’s teeth were much worse earlier, I mean.Sez wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:36I doubt it's historically accurate but I read once that women didn't start shaving their under arms until early 1900's. It's sooooo gross lol. I know that was the times and it was considered normal but it's still gross. In period pieces I wish they wouldn't show it, we know it's there but don't visualise it lol.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:01Just to be clear, I was referring more of how a lot of period pieces have characters not shave underarm, etc.. I wasn't referring to private areas LOL, just realized this questions may have not been clear.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 09:28Just realized something about the sex scene, would women have shaved in the 1800s? Not that I would change anything.
DA. My grandfather told stories of how kids were gifted with dentures for Confirmation, (this is at 14/15 years old), in his day.Guest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 12:12Where they tho? I mean nowdays we have soda, coffee, smoking, all these drugs and stuffGuest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:41I disagree I don’t think it’s gross at all, I really don’t understand what people have against it. It’s just hair, like the hair we’ve got on our head.. anyway, I’m really glad some period dramas have started showing the characters armpit hair because it feels so unrealistic looking at someone being shaved when the film is set in like the 1800s or even earlier.. well you could say the same about teeth, though. People’s teeth were much worse earlier, I mean.Sez wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:36I doubt it's historically accurate but I read once that women didn't start shaving their under arms until early 1900's. It's sooooo gross lol. I know that was the times and it was considered normal but it's still gross. In period pieces I wish they wouldn't show it, we know it's there but don't visualise it lol.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:01Just to be clear, I was referring more of how a lot of period pieces have characters not shave underarm, etc.. I wasn't referring to private areas LOL, just realized this questions may have not been clear.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 09:28Just realized something about the sex scene, would women have shaved in the 1800s? Not that I would change anything.
I mean that's true...but we also have fluoride, floss, dental professionals, vitamins, braces, antibiotics (if you get a bad tooth infection you probably won't lose your tooth). Not to mention that if you do lose teeth you can get false teeth and dentures that look almost identical to real teeth. Science and medicine has advanced quite a bit. Just think about how easy it was to die of illnesses that would probably be treated with a simple prescription or surgery these days.Guest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 12:12Where they tho? I mean nowdays we have soda, coffee, smoking, all these drugs and stuffGuest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:41I disagree I don’t think it’s gross at all, I really don’t understand what people have against it. It’s just hair, like the hair we’ve got on our head.. anyway, I’m really glad some period dramas have started showing the characters armpit hair because it feels so unrealistic looking at someone being shaved when the film is set in like the 1800s or even earlier.. well you could say the same about teeth, though. People’s teeth were much worse earlier, I mean.Sez wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:36I doubt it's historically accurate but I read once that women didn't start shaving their under arms until early 1900's. It's sooooo gross lol. I know that was the times and it was considered normal but it's still gross. In period pieces I wish they wouldn't show it, we know it's there but don't visualise it lol.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:01Just to be clear, I was referring more of how a lot of period pieces have characters not shave underarm, etc.. I wasn't referring to private areas LOL, just realized this questions may have not been clear.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 09:28Just realized something about the sex scene, would women have shaved in the 1800s? Not that I would change anything.
We're all entitled to our own opinions, don't you think?Guest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:43DA. Bit of an overreaction over some hair, don't you think? Not like men shave their pitts, even today.Sez wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:36I doubt it's historically accurate but I read once that women didn't start shaving their under arms until early 1900's. It's sooooo gross lol. I know that was the times and it was considered normal but it's still gross. In period pieces I wish they wouldn't show it, we know it's there but don't visualise it lol.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:01Just to be clear, I was referring more of how a lot of period pieces have characters not shave underarm, etc.. I wasn't referring to private areas LOL, just realized this questions may have not been clear.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 09:28Just realized something about the sex scene, would women have shaved in the 1800s? Not that I would change anything.
People did minimal washing back then. That, I would consider gross.
If course. I'm just challenging that opinion.Sez wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 12:30We're all entitled to our own opinions, don't you think?Guest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:43DA. Bit of an overreaction over some hair, don't you think? Not like men shave their pitts, even today.Sez wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:36I doubt it's historically accurate but I read once that women didn't start shaving their under arms until early 1900's. It's sooooo gross lol. I know that was the times and it was considered normal but it's still gross. In period pieces I wish they wouldn't show it, we know it's there but don't visualise it lol.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:01Just to be clear, I was referring more of how a lot of period pieces have characters not shave underarm, etc.. I wasn't referring to private areas LOL, just realized this questions may have not been clear.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 09:28Just realized something about the sex scene, would women have shaved in the 1800s? Not that I would change anything.
People did minimal washing back then. That, I would consider gross.
LOL, I totally agree Anon better left understood than seen. HA. Some films do have actors do that though.Sez wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:36I doubt it's historically accurate but I read once that women didn't start shaving their under arms until early 1900's. It's sooooo gross lol. I know that was the times and it was considered normal but it's still gross. In period pieces I wish they wouldn't show it, we know it's there but don't visualise it lol.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:01Just to be clear, I was referring more of how a lot of period pieces have characters not shave underarm, etc.. I wasn't referring to private areas LOL, just realized this questions may have not been clear.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 09:28Just realized something about the sex scene, would women have shaved in the 1800s? Not that I would change anything.
I think it also depends on the movie, if it's mean to focus on the true times then yes I think it would make sense to depict the reality but if it's meant to focus on the theme of the movie -- like love between Tallie/Abigail, that detail would not be important and may distract?Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 12:36LOL, I totally agree Anon better left understood than seen. HA. Some films do have actors do that though.Sez wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:36I doubt it's historically accurate but I read once that women didn't start shaving their under arms until early 1900's. It's sooooo gross lol. I know that was the times and it was considered normal but it's still gross. In period pieces I wish they wouldn't show it, we know it's there but don't visualise it lol.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:01Just to be clear, I was referring more of how a lot of period pieces have characters not shave underarm, etc.. I wasn't referring to private areas LOL, just realized this questions may have not been clear.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 09:28Just realized something about the sex scene, would women have shaved in the 1800s? Not that I would change anything.
I think it's gross, you don't. What's there to challenge?Guest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 12:35If course. I'm just challenging that opinion.Sez wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 12:30We're all entitled to our own opinions, don't you think?Guest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:43DA. Bit of an overreaction over some hair, don't you think? Not like men shave their pitts, even today.Sez wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:36I doubt it's historically accurate but I read once that women didn't start shaving their under arms until early 1900's. It's sooooo gross lol. I know that was the times and it was considered normal but it's still gross. In period pieces I wish they wouldn't show it, we know it's there but don't visualise it lol.Guestthinker7 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:01
Just to be clear, I was referring more of how a lot of period pieces have characters not shave underarm, etc.. I wasn't referring to private areas LOL, just realized this questions may have not been clear.
People did minimal washing back then. That, I would consider gross.
The validity of your opinion, which is what I and the other anon did, and which is par for the course in a forum.Sez wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 12:54I think it's gross, you don't. What's there to challenge?Guest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 12:35If course. I'm just challenging that opinion.Sez wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 12:30We're all entitled to our own opinions, don't you think?Guest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:43DA. Bit of an overreaction over some hair, don't you think? Not like men shave their pitts, even today.Sez wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:36
I doubt it's historically accurate but I read once that women didn't start shaving their under arms until early 1900's. It's sooooo gross lol. I know that was the times and it was considered normal but it's still gross. In period pieces I wish they wouldn't show it, we know it's there but don't visualise it lol.
People did minimal washing back then. That, I would consider gross.
I stated an opinion, you can't challenge a personal opinion. What you can challenge however is facts, I can present an argument that is supported by data or evidence and you might offer a counter argument backed up by opposing data or evidence. Anything that can be backed up with evidence or supporting data is considered "valid". Some scientists argue that a diet incorporating meat is healthier and opposing scientists argue that a vegetarian diet is healthier. Both parties use evidence to back up their claims making them equally valid. My opinion is an expression of my personal feelings and thoughts, it's not a question of validity. Besides, validity technically refers to the internal consistency of an argument. And since I am not presenting an argument but my own personal opinion then yes, please do move on ✌ I'm here to suspend reality and get wrapped up in fantasy not to have silly disagreementsGuest wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 12:57The validity of your opinion, which is what I and the other anon did, and which is par for the course in a forum.
Moving on now.
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