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What fucking difference does it make if an actor has a different shade of skin than the historical figure they're pretending to be?

Black people are only allowed to be in films based on historical figures when they're getting whipped, is that it?
No, that's not it. :eyeroll:

Actual people and historical figures shouldn't be race swapped. People should be portrayed as they were, not what they should look like for diversity points.

The film industry needs to stop being fucking lazy. There are plenty of stories where minorities aren't "getting whipped" in European/American stories and media doesn't need to focus on Europe or the US for the setting. Where are the shows and movies involving African culture, kingdoms or folklore? Where are the Caribbean/Latin American/Asian/Middle Eastern stories?

There are great stories to be told, but no one wants to research and produce it.
You do realize that our documented history is far from being complete and that we still don’t know what skin colour some historical figures such as Jesus and Cleopatra had, right?

Also, who gives a damn about accuracy when it comes to fiction? It’s not as if they’re portraying their life exactly as they were. Nobody would consume a purely biographical work. Filmmakers always make non negligible changes in their adaptation of these people’s life. You’re all so petty. Move on…
Movies should be as historically accurate as possible. Inaccurate movies are insulting to intelligent people, and make the uneducated people dumber and more misinformed.
Also there is a bust of Cleopatra, we know how she looked like
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kleo ... erlin1.jpg

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This portrait is from the era when Cleopatra lived.
https://www.businessinsider.nl/archaeol ... ladelphia/

Again, there were black pharaohs, an entire dynasty of them. Are they not interesting enough?
For me it seems, that black historical people are oppressed, since all we get are white people played by black actors.

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What's up with pop culture in the west turning everyone into black? It's fucked up.
lol ikr

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This portrait is from the era when Cleopatra lived.
https://www.businessinsider.nl/archaeol ... ladelphia/

Again, there were black pharaohs, an entire dynasty of them. Are they not interesting enough?
For me it seems, that black historical people are oppressed, since all we get are white people played by black actors.
Ancient Egyptian pharoahs were ALL genetically Caucasians with red or blonde hair, and bone structures that are not Sub-Saharan. Do your research. Don't stop at "We Wuz Kangz and Shiiiieet".

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What fucking difference does it make if an actor has a different shade of skin than the historical figure they're pretending to be?

Black people are only allowed to be in films based on historical figures when they're getting whipped, is that it?
So you would be okay with white actors portraying Martin Luther King or Rosa Parks? What fucking difference does it make, right?
You're a moron.
da you don't have an answer huh?

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Hawass criticizes depicting Cleopatra as black in Netflix film

https://egyptindependent.com/hawass-cri ... flix-film/
Netflix launched the trailer for its documentary film “Queen Cleopatra”, directed by Jada Pinkett Smith, wife of the famous US star Will Smith, depicting Queen Cleopatra as a black woman, which former Egyptian Antiquities Minister Zahi Hawass described as “falsifying facts.

Arabs don't care about your feelings lol

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This portrait is from the era when Cleopatra lived.
https://www.businessinsider.nl/archaeol ... ladelphia/

Again, there were black pharaohs, an entire dynasty of them. Are they not interesting enough?
For me it seems, that black historical people are oppressed, since all we get are white people played by black actors.
Ancient Egyptian pharoahs were ALL genetically Caucasians with red or blonde hair, and bone structures that are not Sub-Saharan. Do your research. Don't stop at "We Wuz Kangz and Shiiiieet".
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Can you be trolling better than this, bringing up a stupid Marvel comic?
25th dynasty. Do your research.

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What fucking difference does it make if an actor has a different shade of skin than the historical figure they're pretending to be?

Black people are only allowed to be in films based on historical figures when they're getting whipped, is that it?
No, that's not it. :eyeroll:

Actual people and historical figures shouldn't be race swapped. People should be portrayed as they were, not what they should look like for diversity points.

The film industry needs to stop being fucking lazy. There are plenty of stories where minorities aren't "getting whipped" in European/American stories and media doesn't need to focus on Europe or the US for the setting. Where are the shows and movies involving African culture, kingdoms or folklore? Where are the Caribbean/Latin American/Asian/Middle Eastern stories?

There are great stories to be told, but no one wants to research and produce it.
You do realize that our documented history is far from being complete and that we still don’t know what skin colour some historical figures such as Jesus and Cleopatra had, right?

Also, who gives a damn about accuracy when it comes to fiction? It’s not as if they’re portraying their life exactly as they were. Nobody would consume a purely biographical work. Filmmakers always make non negligible changes in their adaptation of these people’s life. You’re all so petty. Move on…
"fiction"? It's supposed to be a documentary (they are advertising it as such)...I guess you would be okay with Brad Pitt playing Nelson Mandela or Sappho played by Leonardo DiCaprio.
Documentary: 'a film or television or radio programme that provides a factual report on a particular subject.' In my interpretation this version of Cleopatra is not factual hence my confusion around this topic. All of those murals, sculptures and coins where you can clearly see her facial distinctions shows her already known greek origins, so we do know her race and possible skin color.
How much change would you allow a filmmaker to do in a documentary? We know it is okay for you if the subject's race is changed. How about changing her to a blonde with blue eyes or with one arm for the sake of drama?

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What fucking difference does it make if an actor has a different shade of skin than the historical figure they're pretending to be?

Black people are only allowed to be in films based on historical figures when they're getting whipped, is that it?
No, that's not it. :eyeroll:

Actual people and historical figures shouldn't be race swapped. People should be portrayed as they were, not what they should look like for diversity points.

The film industry needs to stop being fucking lazy. There are plenty of stories where minorities aren't "getting whipped" in European/American stories and media doesn't need to focus on Europe or the US for the setting. Where are the shows and movies involving African culture, kingdoms or folklore? Where are the Caribbean/Latin American/Asian/Middle Eastern stories?

There are great stories to be told, but no one wants to research and produce it.
You do realize that our documented history is far from being complete and that we still don’t know what skin colour some historical figures such as Jesus and Cleopatra had, right?

Also, who gives a damn about accuracy when it comes to fiction? It’s not as if they’re portraying their life exactly as they were. Nobody would consume a purely biographical work. Filmmakers always make non negligible changes in their adaptation of these people’s life. You’re all so petty. Move on…
First of all, Jesus isn't a historical figure since there's a zero evidence that he ever existed, second of all, if you don't know what skin color Cleopatra had, that means you just had a shitty education. Which isn't surprising since you think Jesus is a historical figure.

Also, it is a fiction but it's based on real historical figures and events. Hollywood would never make a biographical movie about Martin Luther King, being portrayed by a white person.

The whole woke-ism has become a joke. It causes way more harm than good.

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Hawass criticizes depicting Cleopatra as black in Netflix film

https://egyptindependent.com/hawass-cri ... flix-film/
Netflix launched the trailer for its documentary film “Queen Cleopatra”, directed by Jada Pinkett Smith, wife of the famous US star Will Smith, depicting Queen Cleopatra as a black woman, which former Egyptian Antiquities Minister Zahi Hawass described as “falsifying facts.

Arabs don't care about your feelings lol
Some more facts
Hawass added that in recent years a trend emerged, led by black Americans and blacks in South America, claiming that the Egyptian civilization is of black origin.

He stressed that such claims were completely false.

The black civilization has no connection with the Egyptian civilization, Hawass said, pointing out that the black civilization did not rule Egypt except in the twenty-fifth dynasty during the era of the Kingdom of Kush, i.e. at the end of the ancient Egyptian civilization.

Hawass pointed out that Egyptian temples contain drawings of Egyptian kings. These sketches are depictions of men striking their enemies.

The enemies are depicted as either African, Nubian, Libyan or Asian, and all of them look very different in nationality from the Egyptian kings.

“Netflix is trying to stir up confusion to spread false information that the origin of Egyptian civilization is black,” Hawass continued.

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Black people think they can blackwash everything.
Maybe white people will gladly accept that but other races won't accept that.

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What fucking difference does it make if an actor has a different shade of skin than the historical figure they're pretending to be?

Black people are only allowed to be in films based on historical figures when they're getting whipped, is that it?
No, that's not it. :eyeroll:

Actual people and historical figures shouldn't be race swapped. People should be portrayed as they were, not what they should look like for diversity points.

The film industry needs to stop being fucking lazy. There are plenty of stories where minorities aren't "getting whipped" in European/American stories and media doesn't need to focus on Europe or the US for the setting. Where are the shows and movies involving African culture, kingdoms or folklore? Where are the Caribbean/Latin American/Asian/Middle Eastern stories?

There are great stories to be told, but no one wants to research and produce it.
You do realize that our documented history is far from being complete and that we still don’t know what skin colour some historical figures such as Jesus and Cleopatra had, right?

Also, who gives a damn about accuracy when it comes to fiction? It’s not as if they’re portraying their life exactly as they were. Nobody would consume a purely biographical work. Filmmakers always make non negligible changes in their adaptation of these people’s life. You’re all so petty. Move on…
"fiction"? It's supposed to be a documentary (they are advertising it as such)...I guess you would be okay with Brad Pitt playing Nelson Mandela or Sappho played by Leonardo DiCaprio.
Documentary: 'a film or television or radio programme that provides a factual report on a particular subject.' In my interpretation this version of Cleopatra is not factual hence my confusion around this topic. All of those murals, sculptures and coins where you can clearly see her facial distinctions shows her already known greek origins, so we do know her race and possible skin color.
How much change would you allow a filmmaker to do in a documentary? We know it is okay for you if the subject's race is changed. How about changing her to a blonde with blue eyes or with one arm for the sake of drama?
Look, I don't mean to say it's your fault, but if somebody actually gets inspired by this and produces the film, it's your fault.

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This portrait is from the era when Cleopatra lived.
https://www.businessinsider.nl/archaeol ... ladelphia/

Again, there were black pharaohs, an entire dynasty of them. Are they not interesting enough?
For me it seems, that black historical people are oppressed, since all we get are white people played by black actors.
Ancient Egyptian pharoahs were ALL genetically Caucasians with red or blonde hair, and bone structures that are not Sub-Saharan. Do your research. Don't stop at "We Wuz Kangz and Shiiiieet".
DA
Can you be trolling better than this, bringing up a stupid Marvel comic?
25th dynasty. Do your research.
Do you consider historical and genetic facts trolling?

Pharoahs of Egypt were generically European and historically never Sub-Saharan (very dark, flat and wide nosed, short kinky black hair, with prognathism and thick lips). The ancient Egyptians depicted Sub-Saharans very distictly different from them who were in fact genetically most related to Caucasians of Northwestern Europe.

We get it. Blacks love claiming others' cultural achievements because they really don't have much as many of your fellow Sub-Saharans still live in uncivilized conditions in huts and drink cow urine.

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Is it just me or are the tears of ignorant white racists actually quite tasty?

Just a general observation inspired by this thread.

:dramaqueen:

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Is it just me or are the tears of ignorant white racists actually quite tasty?

Just a general observation inspired by this thread.

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I am Asian and even I think this blackwash of every ancient or non ancient figure is ridiculous

Blacks tbh are over not under represented in HW at the moment

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This portrait is from the era when Cleopatra lived.
https://www.businessinsider.nl/archaeol ... ladelphia/

Again, there were black pharaohs, an entire dynasty of them. Are they not interesting enough?
For me it seems, that black historical people are oppressed, since all we get are white people played by black actors.
Ancient Egyptian pharoahs were ALL genetically Caucasians with red or blonde hair, and bone structures that are not Sub-Saharan. Do your research. Don't stop at "We Wuz Kangz and Shiiiieet".
DA
Can you be trolling better than this, bringing up a stupid Marvel comic?
25th dynasty. Do your research.
Do you consider historical and genetic facts trolling?

Pharoahs of Egypt were generically European and historically never Sub-Saharan (very dark, flat and wide nosed, short kinky black hair, with prognathism and thick lips). The ancient Egyptians depicted Sub-Saharans very distictly different from them who were in fact genetically most related to Caucasians of Northwestern Europe.

We get it. Blacks love claiming others' cultural achievements because they really don't have much as many of your fellow Sub-Saharans still live in uncivilized conditions in huts and drink cow urine.
Sub-Saharan or not, they are not caucasians:
"The impressive treasures dating from the period from 2400 BC until AD 350 tell the story of the love-hate relationship between ancient Egypt and the Nubian kingdoms. The exhibition focuses on the years between 750 and 664 BC, when the Nubians conquered Egypt and the Nubian black pharaohs ruled the Egyptian empire"

Btw I am eastern-european. I couldn't be paler, lol. But this doesn't matter. No one should falsify history. As Anne Boleyn and Cleopatra were not black, the same way were not all pharaohs of Egypt fair skinned, however short their rule was.

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This portrait is from the era when Cleopatra lived.
https://www.businessinsider.nl/archaeol ... ladelphia/

Again, there were black pharaohs, an entire dynasty of them. Are they not interesting enough?
For me it seems, that black historical people are oppressed, since all we get are white people played by black actors.
Ancient Egyptian pharoahs were ALL genetically Caucasians with red or blonde hair, and bone structures that are not Sub-Saharan. Do your research. Don't stop at "We Wuz Kangz and Shiiiieet".
DA
Can you be trolling better than this, bringing up a stupid Marvel comic?
25th dynasty. Do your research.
Do you consider historical and genetic facts trolling?

Pharoahs of Egypt were generically European and historically never Sub-Saharan (very dark, flat and wide nosed, short kinky black hair, with prognathism and thick lips). The ancient Egyptians depicted Sub-Saharans very distictly different from them who were in fact genetically most related to Caucasians of Northwestern Europe.

We get it. Blacks love claiming others' cultural achievements because they really don't have much as many of your fellow Sub-Saharans still live in uncivilized conditions in huts and drink cow urine.
Sub-Saharan or not, they are not caucasians:
"The impressive treasures dating from the period from 2400 BC until AD 350 tell the story of the love-hate relationship between ancient Egypt and the Nubian kingdoms. The exhibition focuses on the years between 750 and 664 BC, when the Nubians conquered Egypt and the Nubian black pharaohs ruled the Egyptian empire"

Btw I am eastern-european. I couldn't be paler, lol. But this doesn't matter. No one should falsify history. As Anne Boleyn and Cleopatra were not black, the same way were not all pharaohs of Egypt fair skinned, however short their rule was.
All the royal mummies that were genetically studied are found to be of European/Levantine/Near Eastern/Anatolian which trace their roots from the Caucasus.

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All of them, older than your Nubian artifacts, had red or blonde hair. Predates the Romans and Alexander. In fact the oldest mummy found in Egypt had red hair (natural color) was nicknamed Ginger, who has a tattoo of a bull indicating he came from a pastoral culture (which came from Anatolia and then Western/Central Asia which includes Iran (Land of Aryans) as opposed to Sub-Saharan hunter gatherer one.

The Nubians were clearly depicted as Sub-Saharan looking, and NOT ancient Egyptian-looking (Near Eastern or Caucasoid). Male ancient Egyptians put "red ochre" on their skin and thus depicted in art as tanned not black.

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King Tut's slippers showing Sub-Saharans. Symbolic of how ancient Egyptians regarded the darker ones from the south.

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Taliban and China softly genocides these peoples, taping their women and killing their men, in Central and Western Asia so they can freely rewrite history as they please (anti-Caucasian).


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What fucking difference does it make if an actor has a different shade of skin than the historical figure they're pretending to be?

Black people are only allowed to be in films based on historical figures when they're getting whipped, is that it?
No, that's not it. :eyeroll:

Actual people and historical figures shouldn't be race swapped. People should be portrayed as they were, not what they should look like for diversity points.

The film industry needs to stop being fucking lazy. There are plenty of stories where minorities aren't "getting whipped" in European/American stories and media doesn't need to focus on Europe or the US for the setting. Where are the shows and movies involving African culture, kingdoms or folklore? Where are the Caribbean/Latin American/Asian/Middle Eastern stories?

There are great stories to be told, but no one wants to research and produce it.
You do realize that our documented history is far from being complete and that we still don’t know what skin colour some historical figures such as Jesus and Cleopatra had, right?

Also, who gives a damn about accuracy when it comes to fiction? It’s not as if they’re portraying their life exactly as they were. Nobody would consume a purely biographical work. Filmmakers always make non negligible changes in their adaptation of these people’s life. You’re all so petty. Move on…
First of all, Jesus isn't a historical figure since there's a zero evidence that he ever existed, second of all, if you don't know what skin color Cleopatra had, that means you just had a shitty education. Which isn't surprising since you think Jesus is a historical figure.

Also, it is a fiction but it's based on real historical figures and events. Hollywood would never make a biographical movie about Martin Luther King, being portrayed by a white person.

The whole woke-ism has become a joke. It causes way more harm than good.
First of all, I did indeed have a good historical education. I was taught that Jesus did existed, and that is a consensus among historians, and as an atheist I have no religious reason to believe in his existence, I accept that he existed because it is supported by historical facts.

And we literally don’t have a complete and accurate genealogy of Cleopatra from which we can undoubtedly induce her race/ethnicity and skin colour. We don’t even know for sure what was her hair colour, let alone her skin colour.

But at the end of the day, who gives a damn?? If you actually cared about accuracy, you wouldn’t be waiting for someone to make a movie out of these figures and would actually go study them in history books written by actual scholars versed on the topic. Ok, these directors whitewashed/blackwashed them. And? Where is the problem? It’s such a pointless debate to begin with. No idea why people get so triggered by artistic choices of filmmakers. Even if they’re politically driven one, does that add or subtract anything to actual historical accounts? No. Education isn’t to be done through this type of pseudo-documentary movies. If it makes people “dumber” and more ignorant, all I can say is that these people weren’t that much educated themselves..

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Fact: Cleopatra was Greek, not sub-Saharan African descent.

Netflix, along with Disney, obviously are running a "dumbing down program" making biopics that shamelessly offend a group of people.

There are people who love spreading the delusions of Afrocentrism and the debunked Out of Africa Theory, because the trend now is to be Anti-White. They have got the support of the No.1 European haters, the Js.

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Is it just me or are the tears of ignorant white racists actually quite tasty?

Just a general observation inspired by this thread.

:dramaqueen:
I am Asian and even I think this blackwash of every ancient or non ancient figure is ridiculous

Blacks tbh are over not under represented in HW at the moment
Wait til you find out that they also proclaimed Buddha :nervous:

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17 Apr 2023, 14:55
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Is it just me or are the tears of ignorant white racists actually quite tasty?

Just a general observation inspired by this thread.

:dramaqueen:
I am Asian and even I think this blackwash of every ancient or non ancient figure is ridiculous

Blacks tbh are over not under represented in HW at the moment
DA

Not hard to imagine the tribal wailing and flailing.

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No, that's not it. :eyeroll:

Actual people and historical figures shouldn't be race swapped. People should be portrayed as they were, not what they should look like for diversity points.

The film industry needs to stop being fucking lazy. There are plenty of stories where minorities aren't "getting whipped" in European/American stories and media doesn't need to focus on Europe or the US for the setting. Where are the shows and movies involving African culture, kingdoms or folklore? Where are the Caribbean/Latin American/Asian/Middle Eastern stories?

There are great stories to be told, but no one wants to research and produce it.
You do realize that our documented history is far from being complete and that we still don’t know what skin colour some historical figures such as Jesus and Cleopatra had, right?

Also, who gives a damn about accuracy when it comes to fiction? It’s not as if they’re portraying their life exactly as they were. Nobody would consume a purely biographical work. Filmmakers always make non negligible changes in their adaptation of these people’s life. You’re all so petty. Move on…
First of all, Jesus isn't a historical figure since there's a zero evidence that he ever existed, second of all, if you don't know what skin color Cleopatra had, that means you just had a shitty education. Which isn't surprising since you think Jesus is a historical figure.

Also, it is a fiction but it's based on real historical figures and events. Hollywood would never make a biographical movie about Martin Luther King, being portrayed by a white person.

The whole woke-ism has become a joke. It causes way more harm than good.

First of all, I did indeed have a good historical education. I was taught that Jesus did existed, and that is a consensus among historians, and as an atheist I have no religious reason to believe in his existence, I accept that he existed because it is supported by historical facts.


And we literally don’t have a complete and accurate genealogy of Cleopatra from which we can undoubtedly induce her race/ethnicity and skin colour. We don’t even know for sure what was her hair colour, let alone her skin colour.

But at the end of the day, who gives a damn?? If you actually cared about accuracy, you wouldn’t be waiting for someone to make a movie out of these figures and would actually go study them in history books written by actual scholars versed on the topic. Ok, these directors whitewashed/blackwashed them. And? Where is the problem? It’s such a pointless debate to begin with. No idea why people get so triggered by artistic choices of filmmakers. Even if they’re politically driven one, does that add or subtract anything to actual historical accounts? No. Education isn’t to be done through this type of pseudo-documentary movies. If it makes people “dumber” and more ignorant, all I can say is that these people weren’t that much educated themselves..
True, it seems you did have a good historical education. Because you know the difference between asserting something as a "historian" and asserting something as an atheist or non-religious person. To say that "Jesus is the Christ or Son of God" can be asserted in faith by a believer, but that statement CANNOT be asserted or proven as an historian. Historians deal only with the historical evidence, and (like Anon mentioned) there is evidence for the "historical Jesus" based on documented accounts by the Roman-Jewish historian Josephus and the Roman historian Tacitus. Interestingly, in theological studies, a common distinction is made between the "historical Jesus" (asserted by historians) and the "Christ of faith" (where descriptive statements about him being the Son of God can only be asserted in faith by believers).

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No, that's not it. :eyeroll:

Actual people and historical figures shouldn't be race swapped. People should be portrayed as they were, not what they should look like for diversity points.

The film industry needs to stop being fucking lazy. There are plenty of stories where minorities aren't "getting whipped" in European/American stories and media doesn't need to focus on Europe or the US for the setting. Where are the shows and movies involving African culture, kingdoms or folklore? Where are the Caribbean/Latin American/Asian/Middle Eastern stories?

There are great stories to be told, but no one wants to research and produce it.
You do realize that our documented history is far from being complete and that we still don’t know what skin colour some historical figures such as Jesus and Cleopatra had, right?

Also, who gives a damn about accuracy when it comes to fiction? It’s not as if they’re portraying their life exactly as they were. Nobody would consume a purely biographical work. Filmmakers always make non negligible changes in their adaptation of these people’s life. You’re all so petty. Move on…
First of all, Jesus isn't a historical figure since there's a zero evidence that he ever existed, second of all, if you don't know what skin color Cleopatra had, that means you just had a shitty education. Which isn't surprising since you think Jesus is a historical figure.

Also, it is a fiction but it's based on real historical figures and events. Hollywood would never make a biographical movie about Martin Luther King, being portrayed by a white person.

The whole woke-ism has become a joke. It causes way more harm than good.
First of all, I did indeed have a good historical education. I was taught that Jesus did existed, and that is a consensus among historians, and as an atheist I have no religious reason to believe in his existence, I accept that he existed because it is supported by historical facts.

And we literally don’t have a complete and accurate genealogy of Cleopatra from which we can undoubtedly induce her race/ethnicity and skin colour. We don’t even know for sure what was her hair colour, let alone her skin colour.

But at the end of the day, who gives a damn?? If you actually cared about accuracy, you wouldn’t be waiting for someone to make a movie out of these figures and would actually go study them in history books written by actual scholars versed on the topic. Ok, these directors whitewashed/blackwashed them. And? Where is the problem? It’s such a pointless debate to begin with. No idea why people get so triggered by artistic choices of filmmakers. Even if they’re politically driven one, does that add or subtract anything to actual historical accounts? No. Education isn’t to be done through this type of pseudo-documentary movies. If it makes people “dumber” and more ignorant, all I can say is that these people weren’t that much educated themselves..
An educated person also wants entertainment, they want to go to the movie theater and enjoy a historical movie, without their intelligence being offended. And education is absolutely being done trough films too. People will watch it and soak up all this fake information, then you get all these silence deniers and people who are unable to tell true from fake news.


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Are the same people who supported Ariel on the basis of "skin color doesn't matter" giving equal support now they have cast a light skinned lady as Nani in the Lilo and Stitch live action?

Why the fuck they need all the live action remakes I don't fucking know. I wish they would bomb harder than Strange Worlds so they would stop. Call me an old fart but I kind of miss having old school Disney fairy tales with Singing and bit of romance.

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Most of lesBIans on here are just political lesbians and it shows.

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I think Mariana and Fabiola are not a real couple. I decided to search them on youtube tonight and I saw their New years' kiss, and it was so cringe I swear it's giving straight strangers, not married couple. Also the fact that they got married THAT quick... Like c'mon

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Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 01:54
I think Mariana and Fabiola are not a real couple. I decided to search them on youtube tonight and I saw their New years' kiss, and it was so cringe I swear it's giving straight strangers, not married couple. Also the fact that they got married THAT quick... Like c'mon
I remember when someone first posted about them and I thought where the fuck is the comfort and intimacy? They look like two straight strangers brought together by a scam to stay relevant. Are people fucking blind? How can they not notice?

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Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 01:59
Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 01:54
I think Mariana and Fabiola are not a real couple. I decided to search them on youtube tonight and I saw their New years' kiss, and it was so cringe I swear it's giving straight strangers, not married couple. Also the fact that they got married THAT quick... Like c'mon
I remember when someone first posted about them and I thought where the fuck is the comfort and intimacy? They look like two straight strangers brought together by a scam to stay relevant. Are people fucking blind? How can they not notice?
Yeah and also I wasn't interested in them because I wasn't really feeling it, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt and kinda forgot about them. I thought idk maybe they're still a bit uncomfortable in front of the camera together or whatever. But now that I saw that video of their kiss I feel like there's nooo way that's a real life couple, and a married couple at that

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08 May 2023, 01:59
Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 01:54
I think Mariana and Fabiola are not a real couple. I decided to search them on youtube tonight and I saw their New years' kiss, and it was so cringe I swear it's giving straight strangers, not married couple. Also the fact that they got married THAT quick... Like c'mon
I remember when someone first posted about them and I thought where the fuck is the comfort and intimacy? They look like two straight strangers brought together by a scam to stay relevant. Are people fucking blind? How can they not notice?
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Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 01:54
I think Mariana and Fabiola are not a real couple. I decided to search them on youtube tonight and I saw their New years' kiss, and it was so cringe I swear it's giving straight strangers, not married couple. Also the fact that they got married THAT quick... Like c'mon
Finally someone addresses it. I thought I was the only one who thinks that something is just off about them. =_=
I wasn't saying anything to be nice, like two beauty queens marrying each other is like a win for us, but oh, well. Sad.

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08 May 2023, 02:16
Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 01:59
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08 May 2023, 01:54
I think Mariana and Fabiola are not a real couple. I decided to search them on youtube tonight and I saw their New years' kiss, and it was so cringe I swear it's giving straight strangers, not married couple. Also the fact that they got married THAT quick... Like c'mon
I remember when someone first posted about them and I thought where the fuck is the comfort and intimacy? They look like two straight strangers brought together by a scam to stay relevant. Are people fucking blind? How can they not notice?
Yeah and also I wasn't interested in them because I wasn't really feeling it, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt and kinda forgot about them. I thought idk maybe they're still a bit uncomfortable in front of the camera together or whatever. But now that I saw that video of their kiss I feel like there's nooo way that's a real life couple, and a married couple at that
They’re wearing lipstick so maybe didn’t want to mess it up

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Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 08:37
Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 02:16
Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 01:59
Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 01:54
I think Mariana and Fabiola are not a real couple. I decided to search them on youtube tonight and I saw their New years' kiss, and it was so cringe I swear it's giving straight strangers, not married couple. Also the fact that they got married THAT quick... Like c'mon
I remember when someone first posted about them and I thought where the fuck is the comfort and intimacy? They look like two straight strangers brought together by a scam to stay relevant. Are people fucking blind? How can they not notice?
Yeah and also I wasn't interested in them because I wasn't really feeling it, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt and kinda forgot about them. I thought idk maybe they're still a bit uncomfortable in front of the camera together or whatever. But now that I saw that video of their kiss I feel like there's nooo way that's a real life couple, and a married couple at that
They’re wearing lipstick so maybe didn’t want to mess it up
da they always look painfully awkward though, they scream straight girls pretending. What couple is that awkward let alone a married couple? Is there a green card thing or something involved? Because i'm willing to bet money they are fake.

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What fucking difference does it make if an actor has a different shade of skin than the historical figure they're pretending to be?

Black people are only allowed to be in films based on historical figures when they're getting whipped, is that it?
So you would be okay with white actors portraying Martin Luther King or Rosa Parks? What fucking difference does it make, right?
You're a moron.
da you don't have an answer huh?
Da I think sometimes race matters in casting, when a historical figure’s popularity is inextricably linked to their race I.e MLK jr. and Rosa are popular figures because they were black leaders of the civil rights movement in America. Their race significantly matters to their stories. Cleopatra is popular in America because she was a powerful female leader who was suppose to be pretty beautiful (at least in our pop culture, whether that’s accurate or not). I think making her hideous and male would be worse for historical accuracy than swapping the color of her skin. However, the color and ethnicity of leaders often tell their own story of history (origin of leading class at the time due to war and politics and colonization etc) and I acknowledge my ethnocentrism enough to step back and say if Egyptians are upset about this race swap in the documentary then her race must be more important to them for their connection with Cleopatra than I presently understand. It’s fine for them to be upset. I think it makes more sense for actors to be cast that are racially accurate if it’s a historical or popular figure, but if their race isn’t intrinsic to their storylines, then I don’t personally care. One example I’m thinking of off the top of my head is that Hermione Granger is described as white in the Harry Potter books and had a white actress cast in the movies. In the play, Cursed Child, they’ve cast only black actresses for her. I think that’s really fun, because why not? How cool that black girls can look at Hermione and see themselves? I feel no offense to it, but she’s a fictional character whose race isn’t intrinsic to the storyline, so ultimately who cares which actress plays her at any given time? Cleopatra was real, and Egyptian Caucasian rule vs. sub Saharan rule might play a bigger role to their cultural identities and histories than I understand. I’m always willing to listen to both sides, but Race is hit button, and Americans especially have very extreme views on it due to our recent history. The rest of the world doesn’t have to put theirselves in our shoes especially when we’re makings documentaries about THEIR history. It’s the other way around, and typically ‘naive American’ of us to expect Egyptians to care or understand our race politics when we’re making docs that are suppose to be about their culture and history.

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Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 09:39
Guest wrote:
17 Apr 2023, 12:34
Guest wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 22:51
Guest wrote:
25 Mar 2023, 19:56
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What fucking difference does it make if an actor has a different shade of skin than the historical figure they're pretending to be?

Black people are only allowed to be in films based on historical figures when they're getting whipped, is that it?
So you would be okay with white actors portraying Martin Luther King or Rosa Parks? What fucking difference does it make, right?
You're a moron.
da you don't have an answer huh?
Da I think sometimes race matters in casting, when a historical figure’s popularity is inextricably linked to their race I.e MLK jr. and Rosa are popular figures because they were black leaders of the civil rights movement in America. Their race significantly matters to their stories. Cleopatra is popular in America because she was a powerful female leader who was suppose to be pretty beautiful (at least in our pop culture, whether that’s accurate or not). I think making her hideous and male would be worse for historical accuracy than swapping the color of her skin. However, the color and ethnicity of leaders often tell their own story of history (origin of leading class at the time due to war and politics and colonization etc) and I acknowledge my ethnocentrism enough to step back and say if Egyptians are upset about this race swap in the documentary then her race must be more important to them for their connection with Cleopatra than I presently understand. It’s fine for them to be upset. I think it makes more sense for actors to be cast that are racially accurate if it’s a historical or popular figure, but if their race isn’t intrinsic to their storylines, then I don’t personally care. One example I’m thinking of off the top of my head is that Hermione Granger is described as white in the Harry Potter books and had a white actress cast in the movies. In the play, Cursed Child, they’ve cast only black actresses for her. I think that’s really fun, because why not? How cool that black girls can look at Hermione and see themselves? I feel no offense to it, but she’s a fictional character whose race isn’t intrinsic to the storyline, so ultimately who cares which actress plays her at any given time? Cleopatra was real, and Egyptian Caucasian rule vs. sub Saharan rule might play a bigger role to their cultural identities and histories than I understand. I’m always willing to listen to both sides, but Race is hit button, and Americans especially have very extreme views on it due to our recent history. The rest of the world doesn’t have to put theirselves in our shoes especially when we’re makings documentaries about THEIR history. It’s the other way around, and typically ‘naive American’ of us to expect Egyptians to care or understand our race politics when we’re making docs that are suppose to be about their culture and history.
If people are dumb enough not to see that politicians in certain countries are using media, including fiction, to stir up racial hatred and division so they will have a nice mess to justify increasingly more intrusive encroaching of citizens freedom, they deserve whatever comes to them.
Keeping people stupid, willfully ignorant, selectively disconnected from reality, completely open to propaganda and triggered has been their sport since forever, the only difference is how openly they do it now.

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^you’ve moved beyond the conversation to probably a different conversation centered around why race is a hot button topic. I understand your opinion to be that ruling and elite capitalists like to pit the races against one another because it distracts us from attacking them for concentrating disproportionate amounts of wealth and power. However, it’s too broad to be a direct response to what I said. We can remember who our ultimate true enemies are while at the same time being introspective about race issues that effect us.

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If it's a novelization of a historical figure which have no intent to be historically accurate but entertaining it shouldn't be a problem what race they make Cleo of, otherwise I think she should be portrayed as with the most historical consensus about her, and if she was white so be it find some actual famous black woman for rep instead

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Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 08:40
Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 08:37
Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 02:16
Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 01:59
Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 01:54
I think Mariana and Fabiola are not a real couple. I decided to search them on youtube tonight and I saw their New years' kiss, and it was so cringe I swear it's giving straight strangers, not married couple. Also the fact that they got married THAT quick... Like c'mon
I remember when someone first posted about them and I thought where the fuck is the comfort and intimacy? They look like two straight strangers brought together by a scam to stay relevant. Are people fucking blind? How can they not notice?
Yeah and also I wasn't interested in them because I wasn't really feeling it, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt and kinda forgot about them. I thought idk maybe they're still a bit uncomfortable in front of the camera together or whatever. But now that I saw that video of their kiss I feel like there's nooo way that's a real life couple, and a married couple at that
They’re wearing lipstick so maybe didn’t want to mess it up
da they always look painfully awkward though, they scream straight girls pretending. What couple is that awkward let alone a married couple? Is there a green card thing or something involved? Because i'm willing to bet money they are fake.
DA. Well maybe, someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think people from Puerto Rico have U.S. citizenship and one of these two girls is Puerto Rican

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Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 08:37
Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 02:16
Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 01:59
Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 01:54
I think Mariana and Fabiola are not a real couple. I decided to search them on youtube tonight and I saw their New years' kiss, and it was so cringe I swear it's giving straight strangers, not married couple. Also the fact that they got married THAT quick... Like c'mon
I remember when someone first posted about them and I thought where the fuck is the comfort and intimacy? They look like two straight strangers brought together by a scam to stay relevant. Are people fucking blind? How can they not notice?
Yeah and also I wasn't interested in them because I wasn't really feeling it, but I gave them the benefit of the doubt and kinda forgot about them. I thought idk maybe they're still a bit uncomfortable in front of the camera together or whatever. But now that I saw that video of their kiss I feel like there's nooo way that's a real life couple, and a married couple at that
They’re wearing lipstick so maybe didn’t want to mess it up
SA No it's not that, it just looks like they planned to kiss to post a video of it but didn't actually want to do it and didn't even know how to do it.

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Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 08:21
Guest wrote:
08 May 2023, 01:54
I think Mariana and Fabiola are not a real couple. I decided to search them on youtube tonight and I saw their New years' kiss, and it was so cringe I swear it's giving straight strangers, not married couple. Also the fact that they got married THAT quick... Like c'mon
Finally someone addresses it. I thought I was the only one who thinks that something is just off about them. =_=
I wasn't saying anything to be nice, like two beauty queens marrying each other is like a win for us, but oh, well. Sad.
Me too, I didn't see anyone questioning it so I didn't either, it would be a cute love story tho. But there's no way these two people are sleeping together, they can barely kiss each other even when they're really trying to, and we're supposed to believe they are a married couple?

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People keep denying and making excuses for what's dead obvious:

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13 May 2023, 22:55
The fact that people still call a human "black" is the real travesty here. A person got a role, get over it ya racist!! May the best actor win
:lol: You think that's why the little mermaid is black now? because they found no better actress? :lol:

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Guest wrote:
13 May 2023, 23:40
Guest wrote:
13 May 2023, 23:35
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13 May 2023, 22:55
The fact that people still call a human "black" is the real travesty here. A person got a role, get over it ya racist!! May the best actor win
:lol: You think that's why the little mermaid is black now? because they found no better actress? :lol:
Shock, horror!! A person was cast in a leading role on a production. Wow, mind blown!!

Your post is giving "Show me you're a racist without saying you're a racist".
Lol, you're reading so much into a short sentence? 'wow 'Tell me you're an Idiot without telling me you're an Idiot''
It's a fact that there's blackwashing.
I don't care tbh since i prefer books and don't watch much tv but it's funny how stuck up some people get when they hear the truth.

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Guest wrote:
13 May 2023, 23:47
Guest wrote:
13 May 2023, 23:46
Guest wrote:
13 May 2023, 23:40
Guest wrote:
13 May 2023, 23:35
Guest wrote:
13 May 2023, 22:55
The fact that people still call a human "black" is the real travesty here. A person got a role, get over it ya racist!! May the best actor win
:lol: You think that's why the little mermaid is black now? because they found no better actress? :lol:
Shock, horror!! A person was cast in a leading role on a production. Wow, mind blown!!

Your post is giving "Show me you're a racist without saying you're a racist".
Lol, you're reading so much into a short sentence? 'wow 'Tell me you're an Idiot without telling me you're an Idiot''
It's a fact that there's blackwashing.
I don't care tbh since i prefer books and don't watch much tv but it's funny how stuck up some people get when they hear the truth.
You're an idiot.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Calm down you little idiot. as i said, you read too much into what i said but if you wanna get mad about it be my guest :rofl:

i'm gonna go to bed. Good night.

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"Little" hahaha. The real tragedy is that simpletons like this exist. Having only two brain cells they waste one on being a racist and the second on feeling entitled enough to denigrate talented individuals who don't resemble paper plates

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Trannies who suddenly came out as transgendered were paid to promote the agenda.

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This forum is run by AI

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if your emergency contact and/or next of kin is anybody else but your partner, sorry to break it to you, you are single! 🤣🤣

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