by Guest » 17 Mar 2024, 02:48
GuestI wrote: ↑17 Mar 2024, 01:28
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aogos wrote: ↑16 Mar 2024, 23:05
Guest wrote: ↑16 Mar 2024, 22:06
aaguest wrote: ↑16 Mar 2024, 17:14
Same. It's also
beautifully written. There are a few parts that feels like reading poetry
This fic is kind of destroying me but I love how it shows the aftermath and explores everyone's emotions.
My fear after I read the first chapter would be that Shelby would be like "oh no, Toni almost died so I'll put aside my justified anger and feelings of loneliness to make her feel better" but it doesn't do that at all. They both get to feel their feelings and the way they work through it is really raw and genuine.
Like they're just two people really trying to do the right thing through their trauma responses
Is that the one that has Shoni’s daughter 8 years old but in kindergarten? Yeah, I couldn’t get into that one.
Good on them if they’re exploring Shelby being allowed to be hurt over something Toni did for once.
I’m also on the fence about the other fic with Shelby being shutout by the others with Gretchen going into phase three or whatever. Interesting concept. Glad Shelby isn’t the villain she is originally painted to be by the others, but I also hope she’s allowed to be BIG mad at the others for their treatment of her. That fic is a little wishy-washy for me. But I did like seeing Shelby go off on the others in the last chapter, because it was a long time coming. They would need to do a little more forgiveness work after that though.
There's a few things in that fic that make me think the author isn't american so they might be confused about a kindergarten/primary school difference. If that's what's holding you back from the fic that's strange but everyone has their own thing so no judgment
And how is the other fic wishy-washy? It seems really consistent with characterizations. I do find myself skipping over the non-Shoni stuff because it does talk a lot about the other characters and that's not my interest. Surprisingly I liked the Alex chapter though. I do find it a bit scattered at times but not wishy-washy (not sure what you mean here) I LOVED Shelby going off at them too tho
I'm assuming this person is talking about I Wish You Knew. It's one of the more stellar fics published in the last couple of years and whenever a popular, well written and well characterized fic gets put out you'll see this kind of non-specific comment that isn't able to point to anything specific to criticize
I remember this happening with Cowboy Like Me on here and there have been a few comments like this about IWYK already. It always smells like sour grapes from less popular authors but who knows
Like Cowboy, IWYK does well with showing the positive and negative sides of all characters, which is this forum's specific thorn in the paw. Also like Cowboy, it pays the most attention to Shelby's character development, which makes some people automatically hate fics because they don't like any criticism of Shelby's character even if it's respectful and focused on her growth. CLM and IWYK's authors don't criticize any character in them, but if another character dares to look at Shelby funny in a fic there's a certain someone on this forum that goes off
I'm loving all these fics mentioned so far. I can't comment on the divorce fic but IWYK, Lightning Strikes Twice, Wild at Heart and the superhero aus mentioned above are all unreal ongoing fics!
you lose me at claiming jealousy. ppl are allowed to like different stories and characterizations without being jealous of popular authors.
CLM had a version of toni some ppl don’t like and it stripped sm of their canon backstories that made them who they are. bt most still said positive things about it 2
Yes, this is exactly the issues I had with CLM. I think badmeanburner is a very gifted writer. Even if I have issues with CLM, it was still incredibly well written fic. However, I still couldn't connect with this version of Shelby and Toni because of the stripped backgrounds and making the characters too perfect. For me, it suffered from the Mary-Sue effect, which is something that is a turnoff of for me whether it's fanfic or real fiction.
As for when I said "wishy-washy" for IWYK, maybe that isn't the best way to describe it. It just feels like the characters were constantly wavering on their feelings, sometimes within one sentence or paragraph. Like in the beginning, Toni and Dot have extreme hate for Shelby, but at the same time Toni says she wants people to talk about Shelby so they won't forget her, but then blows up when Marty or anyone tries to bring her up or defends her. Maybe that's meant to show the immaturity of the characters or the complexity of their feelings, but sometimes it feels a little helter-skelter when Toni is talking about how much she wants Shelby to stay, yet completely blows her off and shuts her out. However, I give the writer a lot of props and kudos for showing that Toni and Dot were not treating Shelby right and they she should be rightfully mad. It is a fic that I'm interested in seeing where it's going.
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Same. It's also [b]beautifully[/b] written. There are a few parts that feels like reading poetry
This fic is kind of destroying me but I love how it shows the aftermath and explores everyone's emotions.
[spoiler]My fear after I read the first chapter would be that Shelby would be like "oh no, Toni almost died so I'll put aside my justified anger and feelings of loneliness to make her feel better" but it doesn't do that at all. They both get to feel their feelings and the way they work through it is really raw and genuine.
Like they're just two people really trying to do the right thing through their trauma responses [/spoiler]
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Is that the one that has Shoni’s daughter 8 years old but in kindergarten? Yeah, I couldn’t get into that one.
Good on them if they’re exploring Shelby being allowed to be hurt over something Toni did for once.
I’m also on the fence about the other fic with Shelby being shutout by the others with Gretchen going into phase three or whatever. Interesting concept. Glad Shelby isn’t the villain she is originally painted to be by the others, but I also hope she’s allowed to be BIG mad at the others for their treatment of her. That fic is a little wishy-washy for me. But I did like seeing Shelby go off on the others in the last chapter, because it was a long time coming. They would need to do a little more forgiveness work after that though.
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There's a few things in that fic that make me think the author isn't american so they might be confused about a kindergarten/primary school difference. If that's what's holding you back from the fic that's strange but everyone has their own thing so no judgment
And how is the other fic wishy-washy? It seems really consistent with characterizations. I do find myself skipping over the non-Shoni stuff because it does talk a lot about the other characters and that's not my interest. Surprisingly I liked the Alex chapter though. I do find it a bit scattered at times but not wishy-washy (not sure what you mean here) I LOVED Shelby going off at them too tho
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I'm assuming this person is talking about I Wish You Knew. It's one of the more stellar fics published in the last couple of years and whenever a popular, well written and well characterized fic gets put out you'll see this kind of non-specific comment that isn't able to point to anything specific to criticize
I remember this happening with Cowboy Like Me on here and there have been a few comments like this about IWYK already. It always smells like sour grapes from less popular authors but who knows
Like Cowboy, IWYK does well with showing the positive and negative sides of all characters, which is this forum's specific thorn in the paw. Also like Cowboy, it pays the most attention to Shelby's character development, which makes some people automatically hate fics because they don't like any criticism of Shelby's character even if it's respectful and focused on her growth. CLM and IWYK's authors don't criticize any character in them, but if another character dares to look at Shelby funny in a fic there's a certain someone on this forum that goes off
I'm loving all these fics mentioned so far. I can't comment on the divorce fic but IWYK, Lightning Strikes Twice, Wild at Heart and the superhero aus mentioned above are all unreal ongoing fics!
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you lose me at claiming jealousy. ppl are allowed to like different stories and characterizations without being jealous of popular authors.[b] CLM had a version of toni some ppl don’t like and it stripped sm of their canon backstories that made them who they are. bt most still said positive things about it 2[/b]
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Yes, this is exactly the issues I had with CLM. I think badmeanburner is a very gifted writer. Even if I have issues with CLM, it was still incredibly well written fic. However, I still couldn't connect with this version of Shelby and Toni because of the stripped backgrounds and making the characters too perfect. For me, it suffered from the Mary-Sue effect, which is something that is a turnoff of for me whether it's fanfic or real fiction.
As for when I said "wishy-washy" for IWYK, maybe that isn't the best way to describe it. It just feels like the characters were constantly wavering on their feelings, sometimes within one sentence or paragraph. Like in the beginning, Toni and Dot have extreme hate for Shelby, but at the same time Toni says she wants people to talk about Shelby so they won't forget her, but then blows up when Marty or anyone tries to bring her up or defends her. Maybe that's meant to show the immaturity of the characters or the complexity of their feelings, but sometimes it feels a little helter-skelter when Toni is talking about how much she wants Shelby to stay, yet completely blows her off and shuts her out. However, I give the writer a lot of props and kudos for showing that Toni and Dot were not treating Shelby right and they she should be rightfully mad. It is a fic that I'm interested in seeing where it's going.