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Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 13 Jan 2024, 22:29

Guest wrote:
13 Jan 2024, 22:24
Guest wrote:
13 Jan 2024, 21:23
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Iv never put much stock in the “love of my life” or “soul mate” romanticism of a persons feelings because how does one really measure that. Marina was the longest romantic relationship she had but it was completely toxic and seemed to me anyways to scare AL in a way that it had a lasting negative effect on her interactions with others both romantic and platonic. Now Iv read most of her diaries (not all) and watched some documentaries and interviews I’m not an expert but I don’t think Anne was as in love with Marina as AW at the end of her life but the only person who could tell us for sure has been dead for hundreds of years. I know AL did cheat on AW with M but twenty years of your life addicted and I do think AL was addicted to M is a hard habit to break. The way I look at it is love is supposed to lift you up spiritually, and it’s also a two way street. A true love should never hurt you intentionally and look to you for that same regard, those are attributes you don’t find in the AL/M coupling. Both women hurt each other intentionally and dragged each other down emotionally and spiritually, I’m biased so I think M gave more than she got with that but in all they were horrible to and for each other.
People romanticize Anne and Mariana because of their romantic writings and because for the longest time most people couldn't read the full diaries. Plus, people are really ready to believe that a lesbian couple was doomed because of 1800s society. But if you read the full diaries imo it's obvious that they were a toxic mess (this went both ways, but Mariana was the worst of the two) and that Mariana never would've chosen Anne, even if Charles had died, even if she had enough money to not need to marry, etc.

But anyway, anyone can have their own interpretation, including Sally. The thing is that she had to be consistent with it, not change things halfway through, which is what season two felt like to me.
True! Everyone looks at things differently. I also believe that Mariana would never choose Anne and therefore trying to make the argument that she was Anne’s one true love will fall short. I knew watching the second season it had been cancelled so not to expect resolutions on any storylines but I felt the rift between the them (AW/AL) that was built in season two was setting up for a true reconciliation between them in season 3. Splitting up the main couple and dragging them through hell to get back together is a show runners favorite thing.
I watched season 2 live, and when I watched the first episode I thought the season was going to be about Anne realizing that she really was in love with Ann, but imo that never happened. The 'I love you' in ep4 was supposed to be sincere, but I didn't buy it at all.

Have you read the scripts? I feel like Sally's perspective is very clear there: Mariana was the love of Anne's life, the one who got away because of the evil society, and Ann was just the nice woman who said yes, and though Anne is really trying to do right by her (not taking advantage of her or something) she will never really be the one. Anne's just making do. Anything is possible (I mean, look at the whiplash I got from s2), but I'm skeptical Sally would've gotten them better in season three. There was even an interview that came out after s2 with Sally, the actress who played Mariana and some interviewer, and Sally flat out said that Mariana was the love of Anne's life, Ann was the other woman, A/M were intellectually matched and things between the Annes never got better.

There was the possibility, I guess, of them getting closer after Aunt Anne died (at least for a while), because I do get that sense from the diaries, but who knows what Sally would've written. Or how she would've written Mariana's visit to Shibden.
da where can I find the Scripts?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/writers/scripts/t ... leman-jack

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 13 Jan 2024, 22:24

Guest wrote:
13 Jan 2024, 21:23
Bestyguesty wrote:
13 Jan 2024, 20:45
Guest wrote:
13 Jan 2024, 20:12
BestyGuesty wrote:
13 Jan 2024, 16:12
Guest wrote:
12 Jan 2024, 01:37


Season 2 was really cursed. It was supposed to come out in 2021, but covid happened. 3 years is a long time between seasons, people forget. Suranne's dad was in the hospital for months with Covid and then he died. She I think ended up on antidepressants because of it. Sophie and Gemma (Marian) were pregnant and bellies had to be hidden (I'm sure we were robbed of a good sex scene or two with the Annes because of Sophies prengnacy). I remember Sophie even got covid when she was like 7-8 months pregnant and even needed to go to the hospital, which I thought was scary.

But the biggest problem was that Sally's brain seems to have broken and she decided to completely destroy the story she told in s1 with all of the Mariana bullshit in s2. And then after s2 she even had interviews talking about how Mariana was the love of Anne's life and they were so matched in every way :mask: ... if that's how you saw it, you crazy woman, why did you make season 1 like you did? Absolute madness.

Cursed season from hell! Just cursed! :nervous:
Iv never put much stock in the “love of my life” or “soul mate” romanticism of a persons feelings because how does one really measure that. Marina was the longest romantic relationship she had but it was completely toxic and seemed to me anyways to scare AL in a way that it had a lasting negative effect on her interactions with others both romantic and platonic. Now Iv read most of her diaries (not all) and watched some documentaries and interviews I’m not an expert but I don’t think Anne was as in love with Marina as AW at the end of her life but the only person who could tell us for sure has been dead for hundreds of years. I know AL did cheat on AW with M but twenty years of your life addicted and I do think AL was addicted to M is a hard habit to break. The way I look at it is love is supposed to lift you up spiritually, and it’s also a two way street. A true love should never hurt you intentionally and look to you for that same regard, those are attributes you don’t find in the AL/M coupling. Both women hurt each other intentionally and dragged each other down emotionally and spiritually, I’m biased so I think M gave more than she got with that but in all they were horrible to and for each other.
People romanticize Anne and Mariana because of their romantic writings and because for the longest time most people couldn't read the full diaries. Plus, people are really ready to believe that a lesbian couple was doomed because of 1800s society. But if you read the full diaries imo it's obvious that they were a toxic mess (this went both ways, but Mariana was the worst of the two) and that Mariana never would've chosen Anne, even if Charles had died, even if she had enough money to not need to marry, etc.

But anyway, anyone can have their own interpretation, including Sally. The thing is that she had to be consistent with it, not change things halfway through, which is what season two felt like to me.
True! Everyone looks at things differently. I also believe that Mariana would never choose Anne and therefore trying to make the argument that she was Anne’s one true love will fall short. I knew watching the second season it had been cancelled so not to expect resolutions on any storylines but I felt the rift between the them (AW/AL) that was built in season two was setting up for a true reconciliation between them in season 3. Splitting up the main couple and dragging them through hell to get back together is a show runners favorite thing.
I watched season 2 live, and when I watched the first episode I thought the season was going to be about Anne realizing that she really was in love with Ann, but imo that never happened. The 'I love you' in ep4 was supposed to be sincere, but I didn't buy it at all.

Have you read the scripts? I feel like Sally's perspective is very clear there: Mariana was the love of Anne's life, the one who got away because of the evil society, and Ann was just the nice woman who said yes, and though Anne is really trying to do right by her (not taking advantage of her or something) she will never really be the one. Anne's just making do. Anything is possible (I mean, look at the whiplash I got from s2), but I'm skeptical Sally would've gotten them better in season three. There was even an interview that came out after s2 with Sally, the actress who played Mariana and some interviewer, and Sally flat out said that Mariana was the love of Anne's life, Ann was the other woman, A/M were intellectually matched and things between the Annes never got better.

There was the possibility, I guess, of them getting closer after Aunt Anne died (at least for a while), because I do get that sense from the diaries, but who knows what Sally would've written. Or how she would've written Mariana's visit to Shibden.
da where can I find the Scripts?

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 13 Jan 2024, 21:23

Bestyguesty wrote:
13 Jan 2024, 20:45
Guest wrote:
13 Jan 2024, 20:12
BestyGuesty wrote:
13 Jan 2024, 16:12
Guest wrote:
12 Jan 2024, 01:37
Guest24 wrote:
12 Jan 2024, 00:50


A year? Dang no wonder it felt so…yeah not up to snuff with season 1. That sucks so bad because it was such a good show and could have gone another season or two. Tragic Really, this hits all my favs spots. Historical, lovely ladies, interesting storylines and lesbians. Add in Anne’s never ending angst over love and bam I’m in.
Season 2 was really cursed. It was supposed to come out in 2021, but covid happened. 3 years is a long time between seasons, people forget. Suranne's dad was in the hospital for months with Covid and then he died. She I think ended up on antidepressants because of it. Sophie and Gemma (Marian) were pregnant and bellies had to be hidden (I'm sure we were robbed of a good sex scene or two with the Annes because of Sophies prengnacy). I remember Sophie even got covid when she was like 7-8 months pregnant and even needed to go to the hospital, which I thought was scary.

But the biggest problem was that Sally's brain seems to have broken and she decided to completely destroy the story she told in s1 with all of the Mariana bullshit in s2. And then after s2 she even had interviews talking about how Mariana was the love of Anne's life and they were so matched in every way :mask: ... if that's how you saw it, you crazy woman, why did you make season 1 like you did? Absolute madness.

Cursed season from hell! Just cursed! :nervous:
Iv never put much stock in the “love of my life” or “soul mate” romanticism of a persons feelings because how does one really measure that. Marina was the longest romantic relationship she had but it was completely toxic and seemed to me anyways to scare AL in a way that it had a lasting negative effect on her interactions with others both romantic and platonic. Now Iv read most of her diaries (not all) and watched some documentaries and interviews I’m not an expert but I don’t think Anne was as in love with Marina as AW at the end of her life but the only person who could tell us for sure has been dead for hundreds of years. I know AL did cheat on AW with M but twenty years of your life addicted and I do think AL was addicted to M is a hard habit to break. The way I look at it is love is supposed to lift you up spiritually, and it’s also a two way street. A true love should never hurt you intentionally and look to you for that same regard, those are attributes you don’t find in the AL/M coupling. Both women hurt each other intentionally and dragged each other down emotionally and spiritually, I’m biased so I think M gave more than she got with that but in all they were horrible to and for each other.
People romanticize Anne and Mariana because of their romantic writings and because for the longest time most people couldn't read the full diaries. Plus, people are really ready to believe that a lesbian couple was doomed because of 1800s society. But if you read the full diaries imo it's obvious that they were a toxic mess (this went both ways, but Mariana was the worst of the two) and that Mariana never would've chosen Anne, even if Charles had died, even if she had enough money to not need to marry, etc.

But anyway, anyone can have their own interpretation, including Sally. The thing is that she had to be consistent with it, not change things halfway through, which is what season two felt like to me.
True! Everyone looks at things differently. I also believe that Mariana would never choose Anne and therefore trying to make the argument that she was Anne’s one true love will fall short. I knew watching the second season it had been cancelled so not to expect resolutions on any storylines but I felt the rift between the them (AW/AL) that was built in season two was setting up for a true reconciliation between them in season 3. Splitting up the main couple and dragging them through hell to get back together is a show runners favorite thing.
I watched season 2 live, and when I watched the first episode I thought the season was going to be about Anne realizing that she really was in love with Ann, but imo that never happened. The 'I love you' in ep4 was supposed to be sincere, but I didn't buy it at all.

Have you read the scripts? I feel like Sally's perspective is very clear there: Mariana was the love of Anne's life, the one who got away because of the evil society, and Ann was just the nice woman who said yes, and though Anne is really trying to do right by her (not taking advantage of her or something) she will never really be the one. Anne's just making do. Anything is possible (I mean, look at the whiplash I got from s2), but I'm skeptical Sally would've gotten them better in season three. There was even an interview that came out after s2 with Sally, the actress who played Mariana and some interviewer, and Sally flat out said that Mariana was the love of Anne's life, Ann was the other woman, A/M were intellectually matched and things between the Annes never got better.

There was the possibility, I guess, of them getting closer after Aunt Anne died (at least for a while), because I do get that sense from the diaries, but who knows what Sally would've written. Or how she would've written Mariana's visit to Shibden.

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Bestyguesty » 13 Jan 2024, 20:45

Guest wrote:
13 Jan 2024, 20:12
BestyGuesty wrote:
13 Jan 2024, 16:12
Guest wrote:
12 Jan 2024, 01:37
Guest24 wrote:
12 Jan 2024, 00:50
Guest wrote:
11 Jan 2024, 19:30


The season took like a year of filming because of Covid shutdowns, so even if she had covid at some point (which I think she did, as well as Sophie... Sophie had it while heavily pregnant!) if wouldn't explain the weird voice. :nervous: I think that was just Suranne keeping in tune with this failure of a season, even SHE wasn't in top form imo and her s2 Anne often almost felt like a weird parody of s1 Anne. In her defense, she was going through a tough time with her dad, who was in the hospital with Covid for months before dying. And I've read the scripts too, so maybe she was trying to emulate the insufferably snobbish Anne that Sally wrote for s2. It just did't work, imo
A year? Dang no wonder it felt so…yeah not up to snuff with season 1. That sucks so bad because it was such a good show and could have gone another season or two. Tragic Really, this hits all my favs spots. Historical, lovely ladies, interesting storylines and lesbians. Add in Anne’s never ending angst over love and bam I’m in.
Season 2 was really cursed. It was supposed to come out in 2021, but covid happened. 3 years is a long time between seasons, people forget. Suranne's dad was in the hospital for months with Covid and then he died. She I think ended up on antidepressants because of it. Sophie and Gemma (Marian) were pregnant and bellies had to be hidden (I'm sure we were robbed of a good sex scene or two with the Annes because of Sophies prengnacy). I remember Sophie even got covid when she was like 7-8 months pregnant and even needed to go to the hospital, which I thought was scary.

But the biggest problem was that Sally's brain seems to have broken and she decided to completely destroy the story she told in s1 with all of the Mariana bullshit in s2. And then after s2 she even had interviews talking about how Mariana was the love of Anne's life and they were so matched in every way :mask: ... if that's how you saw it, you crazy woman, why did you make season 1 like you did? Absolute madness.

Cursed season from hell! Just cursed! :nervous:
Iv never put much stock in the “love of my life” or “soul mate” romanticism of a persons feelings because how does one really measure that. Marina was the longest romantic relationship she had but it was completely toxic and seemed to me anyways to scare AL in a way that it had a lasting negative effect on her interactions with others both romantic and platonic. Now Iv read most of her diaries (not all) and watched some documentaries and interviews I’m not an expert but I don’t think Anne was as in love with Marina as AW at the end of her life but the only person who could tell us for sure has been dead for hundreds of years. I know AL did cheat on AW with M but twenty years of your life addicted and I do think AL was addicted to M is a hard habit to break. The way I look at it is love is supposed to lift you up spiritually, and it’s also a two way street. A true love should never hurt you intentionally and look to you for that same regard, those are attributes you don’t find in the AL/M coupling. Both women hurt each other intentionally and dragged each other down emotionally and spiritually, I’m biased so I think M gave more than she got with that but in all they were horrible to and for each other.
People romanticize Anne and Mariana because of their romantic writings and because for the longest time most people couldn't read the full diaries. Plus, people are really ready to believe that a lesbian couple was doomed because of 1800s society. But if you read the full diaries imo it's obvious that they were a toxic mess (this went both ways, but Mariana was the worst of the two) and that Mariana never would've chosen Anne, even if Charles had died, even if she had enough money to not need to marry, etc.

But anyway, anyone can have their own interpretation, including Sally. The thing is that she had to be consistent with it, not change things halfway through, which is what season two felt like to me.
True! Everyone looks at things differently. I also believe that Mariana would never choose Anne and therefore trying to make the argument that she was Anne’s one true love will fall short. I knew watching the second season it had been cancelled so not to expect resolutions on any storylines but I felt the rift between the them (AW/AL) that was built in season two was setting up for a true reconciliation between them in season 3. Splitting up the main couple and dragging them through hell to get back together is a show runners favorite thing.

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 13 Jan 2024, 20:12

BestyGuesty wrote:
13 Jan 2024, 16:12
Guest wrote:
12 Jan 2024, 01:37
Guest24 wrote:
12 Jan 2024, 00:50
Guest wrote:
11 Jan 2024, 19:30
Guest24 wrote:
11 Jan 2024, 00:55
Just got into the show, Vigil season 2 got me into a suranne binge. Question about GJ season two, is there a reason why Suranne talked so weird? Like was she recovering from Covid or something, her speaking pattern and voice was so completely different season 2.
The season took like a year of filming because of Covid shutdowns, so even if she had covid at some point (which I think she did, as well as Sophie... Sophie had it while heavily pregnant!) if wouldn't explain the weird voice. :nervous: I think that was just Suranne keeping in tune with this failure of a season, even SHE wasn't in top form imo and her s2 Anne often almost felt like a weird parody of s1 Anne. In her defense, she was going through a tough time with her dad, who was in the hospital with Covid for months before dying. And I've read the scripts too, so maybe she was trying to emulate the insufferably snobbish Anne that Sally wrote for s2. It just did't work, imo
A year? Dang no wonder it felt so…yeah not up to snuff with season 1. That sucks so bad because it was such a good show and could have gone another season or two. Tragic Really, this hits all my favs spots. Historical, lovely ladies, interesting storylines and lesbians. Add in Anne’s never ending angst over love and bam I’m in.
Season 2 was really cursed. It was supposed to come out in 2021, but covid happened. 3 years is a long time between seasons, people forget. Suranne's dad was in the hospital for months with Covid and then he died. She I think ended up on antidepressants because of it. Sophie and Gemma (Marian) were pregnant and bellies had to be hidden (I'm sure we were robbed of a good sex scene or two with the Annes because of Sophies prengnacy). I remember Sophie even got covid when she was like 7-8 months pregnant and even needed to go to the hospital, which I thought was scary.

But the biggest problem was that Sally's brain seems to have broken and she decided to completely destroy the story she told in s1 with all of the Mariana bullshit in s2. And then after s2 she even had interviews talking about how Mariana was the love of Anne's life and they were so matched in every way :mask: ... if that's how you saw it, you crazy woman, why did you make season 1 like you did? Absolute madness.

Cursed season from hell! Just cursed! :nervous:
Iv never put much stock in the “love of my life” or “soul mate” romanticism of a persons feelings because how does one really measure that. Marina was the longest romantic relationship she had but it was completely toxic and seemed to me anyways to scare AL in a way that it had a lasting negative effect on her interactions with others both romantic and platonic. Now Iv read most of her diaries (not all) and watched some documentaries and interviews I’m not an expert but I don’t think Anne was as in love with Marina as AW at the end of her life but the only person who could tell us for sure has been dead for hundreds of years. I know AL did cheat on AW with M but twenty years of your life addicted and I do think AL was addicted to M is a hard habit to break. The way I look at it is love is supposed to lift you up spiritually, and it’s also a two way street. A true love should never hurt you intentionally and look to you for that same regard, those are attributes you don’t find in the AL/M coupling. Both women hurt each other intentionally and dragged each other down emotionally and spiritually, I’m biased so I think M gave more than she got with that but in all they were horrible to and for each other.
People romanticize Anne and Mariana because of their romantic writings and because for the longest time most people couldn't read the full diaries. Plus, people are really ready to believe that a lesbian couple was doomed because of 1800s society. But if you read the full diaries imo it's obvious that they were a toxic mess (this went both ways, but Mariana was the worst of the two) and that Mariana never would've chosen Anne, even if Charles had died, even if she had enough money to not need to marry, etc.

But anyway, anyone can have their own interpretation, including Sally. The thing is that she had to be consistent with it, not change things halfway through, which is what season two felt like to me.

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by BestyGuesty » 13 Jan 2024, 16:12

Guest wrote:
12 Jan 2024, 01:37
Guest24 wrote:
12 Jan 2024, 00:50
Guest wrote:
11 Jan 2024, 19:30
Guest24 wrote:
11 Jan 2024, 00:55
Just got into the show, Vigil season 2 got me into a suranne binge. Question about GJ season two, is there a reason why Suranne talked so weird? Like was she recovering from Covid or something, her speaking pattern and voice was so completely different season 2.
The season took like a year of filming because of Covid shutdowns, so even if she had covid at some point (which I think she did, as well as Sophie... Sophie had it while heavily pregnant!) if wouldn't explain the weird voice. :nervous: I think that was just Suranne keeping in tune with this failure of a season, even SHE wasn't in top form imo and her s2 Anne often almost felt like a weird parody of s1 Anne. In her defense, she was going through a tough time with her dad, who was in the hospital with Covid for months before dying. And I've read the scripts too, so maybe she was trying to emulate the insufferably snobbish Anne that Sally wrote for s2. It just did't work, imo
A year? Dang no wonder it felt so…yeah not up to snuff with season 1. That sucks so bad because it was such a good show and could have gone another season or two. Tragic Really, this hits all my favs spots. Historical, lovely ladies, interesting storylines and lesbians. Add in Anne’s never ending angst over love and bam I’m in.
Season 2 was really cursed. It was supposed to come out in 2021, but covid happened. 3 years is a long time between seasons, people forget. Suranne's dad was in the hospital for months with Covid and then he died. She I think ended up on antidepressants because of it. Sophie and Gemma (Marian) were pregnant and bellies had to be hidden (I'm sure we were robbed of a good sex scene or two with the Annes because of Sophies prengnacy). I remember Sophie even got covid when she was like 7-8 months pregnant and even needed to go to the hospital, which I thought was scary.

But the biggest problem was that Sally's brain seems to have broken and she decided to completely destroy the story she told in s1 with all of the Mariana bullshit in s2. And then after s2 she even had interviews talking about how Mariana was the love of Anne's life and they were so matched in every way :mask: ... if that's how you saw it, you crazy woman, why did you make season 1 like you did? Absolute madness.

Cursed season from hell! Just cursed! :nervous:
Iv never put much stock in the “love of my life” or “soul mate” romanticism of a persons feelings because how does one really measure that. Marina was the longest romantic relationship she had but it was completely toxic and seemed to me anyways to scare AL in a way that it had a lasting negative effect on her interactions with others both romantic and platonic. Now Iv read most of her diaries (not all) and watched some documentaries and interviews I’m not an expert but I don’t think Anne was as in love with Marina as AW at the end of her life but the only person who could tell us for sure has been dead for hundreds of years. I know AL did cheat on AW with M but twenty years of your life addicted and I do think AL was addicted to M is a hard habit to break. The way I look at it is love is supposed to lift you up spiritually, and it’s also a two way street. A true love should never hurt you intentionally and look to you for that same regard, those are attributes you don’t find in the AL/M coupling. Both women hurt each other intentionally and dragged each other down emotionally and spiritually, I’m biased so I think M gave more than she got with that but in all they were horrible to and for each other.

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 12 Jan 2024, 01:37

Guest24 wrote:
12 Jan 2024, 00:50
Guest wrote:
11 Jan 2024, 19:30
Guest24 wrote:
11 Jan 2024, 00:55
Just got into the show, Vigil season 2 got me into a suranne binge. Question about GJ season two, is there a reason why Suranne talked so weird? Like was she recovering from Covid or something, her speaking pattern and voice was so completely different season 2.
The season took like a year of filming because of Covid shutdowns, so even if she had covid at some point (which I think she did, as well as Sophie... Sophie had it while heavily pregnant!) if wouldn't explain the weird voice. :nervous: I think that was just Suranne keeping in tune with this failure of a season, even SHE wasn't in top form imo and her s2 Anne often almost felt like a weird parody of s1 Anne. In her defense, she was going through a tough time with her dad, who was in the hospital with Covid for months before dying. And I've read the scripts too, so maybe she was trying to emulate the insufferably snobbish Anne that Sally wrote for s2. It just did't work, imo
A year? Dang no wonder it felt so…yeah not up to snuff with season 1. That sucks so bad because it was such a good show and could have gone another season or two. Tragic Really, this hits all my favs spots. Historical, lovely ladies, interesting storylines and lesbians. Add in Anne’s never ending angst over love and bam I’m in.
Season 2 was really cursed. It was supposed to come out in 2021, but covid happened. 3 years is a long time between seasons, people forget. Suranne's dad was in the hospital for months with Covid and then he died. She I think ended up on antidepressants because of it. Sophie and Gemma (Marian) were pregnant and bellies had to be hidden (I'm sure we were robbed of a good sex scene or two with the Annes because of Sophies prengnacy). I remember Sophie even got covid when she was like 7-8 months pregnant and even needed to go to the hospital, which I thought was scary.

But the biggest problem was that Sally's brain seems to have broken and she decided to completely destroy the story she told in s1 with all of the Mariana bullshit in s2. And then after s2 she even had interviews talking about how Mariana was the love of Anne's life and they were so matched in every way :mask: ... if that's how you saw it, you crazy woman, why did you make season 1 like you did? Absolute madness.

Cursed season from hell! Just cursed! :nervous:

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest24 » 12 Jan 2024, 00:50

Guest wrote:
11 Jan 2024, 19:30
Guest24 wrote:
11 Jan 2024, 00:55
Just got into the show, Vigil season 2 got me into a suranne binge. Question about GJ season two, is there a reason why Suranne talked so weird? Like was she recovering from Covid or something, her speaking pattern and voice was so completely different season 2.
The season took like a year of filming because of Covid shutdowns, so even if she had covid at some point (which I think she did, as well as Sophie... Sophie had it while heavily pregnant!) if wouldn't explain the weird voice. :nervous: I think that was just Suranne keeping in tune with this failure of a season, even SHE wasn't in top form imo and her s2 Anne often almost felt like a weird parody of s1 Anne. In her defense, she was going through a tough time with her dad, who was in the hospital with Covid for months before dying. And I've read the scripts too, so maybe she was trying to emulate the insufferably snobbish Anne that Sally wrote for s2. It just did't work, imo
A year? Dang no wonder it felt so…yeah not up to snuff with season 1. That sucks so bad because it was such a good show and could have gone another season or two. Tragic Really, this hits all my favs spots. Historical, lovely ladies, interesting storylines and lesbians. Add in Anne’s never ending angst over love and bam I’m in.

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 11 Jan 2024, 19:30

Guest24 wrote:
11 Jan 2024, 00:55
Just got into the show, Vigil season 2 got me into a suranne binge. Question about GJ season two, is there a reason why Suranne talked so weird? Like was she recovering from Covid or something, her speaking pattern and voice was so completely different season 2.
The season took like a year of filming because of Covid shutdowns, so even if she had covid at some point (which I think she did, as well as Sophie... Sophie had it while heavily pregnant!) if wouldn't explain the weird voice. :nervous: I think that was just Suranne keeping in tune with this failure of a season, even SHE wasn't in top form imo and her s2 Anne often almost felt like a weird parody of s1 Anne. In her defense, she was going through a tough time with her dad, who was in the hospital with Covid for months before dying. And I've read the scripts too, so maybe she was trying to emulate the insufferably snobbish Anne that Sally wrote for s2. It just did't work, imo

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest24 » 11 Jan 2024, 00:55

Just got into the show, Vigil season 2 got me into a suranne binge. Question about GJ season two, is there a reason why Suranne talked so weird? Like was she recovering from Covid or something, her speaking pattern and voice was so completely different season 2.

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 10 Jan 2024, 16:00

I'll stick with liking the character only. I really don't like knowing about their personal lives. Isn't this topic about the show, not the actresses? I guess I find pregnancies yucky because most of the time men are involved.

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Geronimo73 » 10 Jan 2024, 15:37

LOL :lol:

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 08 Jan 2024, 18:15

I just fell in love with them all over again during the rewatch during the holidays.

So sweet. I just love Ann Walker so much. I want a wife like her! :lol:

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by diotima1 » 07 Jan 2024, 13:53

Guest wrote:
07 Jan 2024, 11:25
Guest wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 07:05
Guest wrote:
10 Feb 2023, 15:03
Season 2 scripts are out.

I don’t know if I have the stomach to read these all the way through, but I’ve been checking out specific scenes from the show to see what Sally’s intentions were, to see if what I saw on tv was what she was trying to say. So far my impression is that the scripts are way worse that the show seemed, because Suranne played things differently (intentionally or not) or because they directions were so convoluted that it was impossible to portray what the script said. But even moments that seemed like they were pro Anne and Ann… kinda of weren’t, in Sally’s mind.
Now, let us remember that Gentleman Jack did very well and the excitement around it was, unequivocally, because of Anne and Ann. So while people were crazy about Anne and Ann, there was a plaque put in their honor in that church, Sally gave interviews to fans, fans flooded Suranne and Sophies instagrams with love, everyone was excited about the Annes… this is the story that she was writing, while all of this was happening around her. While she was in a room full of Ann(e)s fans hyping them up for the new season, she knew this was what she wrote.

Is there a requirement somewhere that in order to be a showrunner you have to be a psychopathic scumbag? I feel like I haven’t seen a single one who isn’t. If their true colors haven’t come out yet, give them time and they will.

I’m glad that the show was canceled and the smile was wiped off her face. She seemed so shocked and appalled when the cancellation happened! GOOD! KARMA!
I don't trust Sally W. since the Last Tango in Halifax.

Totally agree! Great post!

I do wonder how much of a role Suranne Jones had as an executive producer of season 2 besides Sally. Did she have any say in the way her character was written? Did Suranne ever talk about her role of an exec producer in S2?


I love them!

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 07 Jan 2024, 11:25

Guest wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 07:05
Guest wrote:
10 Feb 2023, 15:03
Season 2 scripts are out.

I don’t know if I have the stomach to read these all the way through, but I’ve been checking out specific scenes from the show to see what Sally’s intentions were, to see if what I saw on tv was what she was trying to say. So far my impression is that the scripts are way worse that the show seemed, because Suranne played things differently (intentionally or not) or because they directions were so convoluted that it was impossible to portray what the script said. But even moments that seemed like they were pro Anne and Ann… kinda of weren’t, in Sally’s mind.
Now, let us remember that Gentleman Jack did very well and the excitement around it was, unequivocally, because of Anne and Ann. So while people were crazy about Anne and Ann, there was a plaque put in their honor in that church, Sally gave interviews to fans, fans flooded Suranne and Sophies instagrams with love, everyone was excited about the Annes… this is the story that she was writing, while all of this was happening around her. While she was in a room full of Ann(e)s fans hyping them up for the new season, she knew this was what she wrote.

Is there a requirement somewhere that in order to be a showrunner you have to be a psychopathic scumbag? I feel like I haven’t seen a single one who isn’t. If their true colors haven’t come out yet, give them time and they will.

I’m glad that the show was canceled and the smile was wiped off her face. She seemed so shocked and appalled when the cancellation happened! GOOD! KARMA!

Totally agree! Great post!

I do wonder how much of a role Suranne Jones had as an executive producer of season 2 besides Sally. Did she have any say in the way her character was written? Did Suranne ever talk about her role of an exec producer in S2?

I love them!

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 07 Jan 2024, 10:04

Guest wrote:
07 Jan 2024, 00:30
Guest wrote:
06 Jan 2024, 21:04
Does anybody know if there's such a book out there that's only about Anne and Ann's relationship, no other Anne's previous partner focused on or playing a huge part in it. You know the way Gentleman Jack should've been.
You mean about the diaries? Or fiction? There's novel that I think is about the Annes, but I haven't read it so I don't know if it's any good. It's called The Moss House.

If you mean about the diaries, Jill Lidington's books do cover the Annes period, but she frankly seems to dislike them so you won't get a positive view from her. In her case it would be Nature's Domain, Female Fortune and As Good as a Marriage.

The only book about the diaries that was written by someone who likes the Annes is a self published one. I did enjoy it. I don't remember if it covers some stuff pre Ann, though. It's been a while. This one is called Anne Lister, Ann Walker and Me.

Here are all the Anne Lister books out there:

https://www.packedwithpotential.org/res ... ann-walker

Sadly, most of the people writing about Anne Lister seem to not be Ann/Anne+Ann fans.
The first book you mention doesn't have the best reviews, the Ann(e)s seem to be too miserable in that book and I don't want to read about that, it's basically season 2 finale episode. No thanks.

I'm interested in the one you read. Seems like it's true to the real people and written by someone who likes Ann(e)s as you said. I'll think about purchasing it. The book alone doesn't cost that much but the delivery rates on Amazon are insane, costs more than the book itself. At least now I know there is a Anne Lister & Ann Walker book I want to read. Thank you for replying. :hug:

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 07 Jan 2024, 00:30

Guest wrote:
06 Jan 2024, 21:04
Does anybody know if there's such a book out there that's only about Anne and Ann's relationship, no other Anne's previous partner focused on or playing a huge part in it. You know the way Gentleman Jack should've been.
You mean about the diaries? Or fiction? There's novel that I think is about the Annes, but I haven't read it so I don't know if it's any good. It's called The Moss House.

If you mean about the diaries, Jill Lidington's books do cover the Annes period, but she frankly seems to dislike them so you won't get a positive view from her. In her case it would be Nature's Domain, Female Fortune and As Good as a Marriage.

The only book about the diaries that was written by someone who likes the Annes is a self published one. I did enjoy it. I don't remember if it covers some stuff pre Ann, though. It's been a while. This one is called Anne Lister, Ann Walker and Me.

Here are all the Anne Lister books out there:

https://www.packedwithpotential.org/res ... ann-walker

Sadly, most of the people writing about Anne Lister seem to not be Ann/Anne+Ann fans.

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 06 Jan 2024, 21:04

Does anybody know if there's such a book out there that's only about Anne and Ann's relationship, no other Anne's previous partner focused on or playing a huge part in it. You know the way Gentleman Jack should've been.

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 12 Dec 2023, 16:34

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 21 Nov 2023, 14:09

Re: HBO's Gentleman Jack

by Guestthinker7 » 21 Oct 2023, 15:06

Guest wrote:
20 Apr 2022, 18:13
Guest wrote:
20 Apr 2022, 18:04
I know I’m in the minority, but I’m excited to see the dynamic play out between Anne and Mariana. Lydia’s performance doesn’t get talked about enough. No doubt she and Suranne are going to bring the drama in episode 4.
You're not alone, I secretly love Mariana. Lydia Leonard is super hot and I love the chemistry between the two.
I'm late as usual to discovering hit movies or tv shows years after they are the talk! LOL, I realize I'm probably
posting to a long dead post and only crickets to read this :) LOL and only this month saw GJ. Amazing! Sad it ended. Love the heat between Anne and Mariana, but as most, was on team Anne Walker (although by
diary accounts, although they stayed together, the jury was out on if Anne loved Ann Walker. :(

To your point, the Mariana character aside, never heard or seen Lydia till now, she's more known in theatres
but YES, Lydia is SUPER HOT :wub: :hudoin: ! has that restrained British thing going and is not of the high profile celeb types,
she's another one that is not into media pop but loves her craft. Love her in 10 percent but the show writing
falls flat in comparison to the French version unfortunately.

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Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 04 Oct 2023, 23:26

Guest wrote:
22 May 2023, 21:23
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Suranne said on instagram that this will be on PBS next April

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 24 Aug 2023, 19:08

Guest wrote:
24 Aug 2023, 11:37
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/ ... first-love

Booker prize finalist writes GJ fan fic… take my money*😛



*and by money I mean illegal download
just pay for it :lol: let us know what you think :whistle:

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 24 Aug 2023, 11:37

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/ ... first-love

Booker prize finalist writes GJ fan fic… take my money*😛



*and by money I mean illegal download

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 17 Aug 2023, 22:47

(I guess tumblr links don't work like they used to <_< )

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 17 Aug 2023, 22:44



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Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by mariana lister » 17 Jul 2023, 17:36

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Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by hoho » 17 Jul 2023, 17:32

Guest wrote:
14 Feb 2023, 07:05
Guest wrote:
10 Feb 2023, 15:03
Season 2 scripts are out.

I don’t know if I have the stomach to read these all the way through, but I’ve been checking out specific scenes from the show to see what Sally’s intentions were, to see if what I saw on tv was what she was trying to say. So far my impression is that the scripts are way worse that the show seemed, because Suranne played things differently (intentionally or not) or because they directions were so convoluted that it was impossible to portray what the script said. But even moments that seemed like they were pro Anne and Ann… kinda of weren’t, in Sally’s mind.

Her OBVIOUS narrative, even more obvious in the scripts, is that Anne married Ann out of convenience. Basically because Ann was there and loved her, and Anne really wanted a wife. She is FOND of Ann and truly committed to making it work and doing right by her, but she’s not in love with Ann, at all. Because that’s the story that Sally’s telling, it seeps through everything, including scenes that looked like they were pro Annes moments.

For example: remember when the Annes saw each other for the first time in York and they’re both thirsty as hell? Well, Ann is super in love… while Anne is really happy that her wife will be home soon.

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Remember that moment where Anne eats a plum and seems so in love with Ann? Think again, she’s just really happy because she finally has a wife who loves her, a wife that she can take care of (wut?).

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Remember in episode 2 when Ann keeps Anne’s watch and Anne decides to leave her diary for the next day to get into bed with Ann, and it’s all cute? Well, it’s that they were talking about Mariana and thinking about Mariana always makes Anne horny.

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It’s like Sally can’t help herself. Those are the ones that I’ve seen so far, but I’m sure that there’s more stuff like that. Then you have this jewel from episode 4, an episode that, besides being an Anne/Mariana fest, is very, very in your face about the “victim Mariana” narrative. Sally doesn’t even dwell too much, in the end, on how manipulative Mariana was.

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Not only does it say, without a doubt, that Ann is a compromise for Anne, it clearly says that whenever Anne says otherwise she’s really lying to herself, in order to cope.

Then, after the cheating, everything that Anne does is driven by guilt, absolutely everything, including sleeping with Ann. Bizarrely, in what feels like some weird form of fanservice or like someone took her laptop away and wrote it in while she wasn’t looking, Sally throws this in after Anne gets home from Lawton

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Like what in the actual fuck? The part about Anne being honest with the "I love you", and all of that bullshit, doesn’t fit with anything that I’ve read so far (or saw on screen), not with anything that came next. I mean, this is the glorious ending to the season. It couldn’t be more meh because Sally clearly doesn’t think that they loved each other (or rather, that Anne loved Ann or that they were ever really happy). I doubt she even thought that they were remotely interesting. She keeps them together because in real life they were, so she has no choice.

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Now, let us remember that Gentleman Jack did very well and the excitement around it was, unequivocally, because of Anne and Ann. So while people were crazy about Anne and Ann, there was a plaque put in their honor in that church, Sally gave interviews to fans, fans flooded Suranne and Sophies instagrams with love, everyone was excited about the Annes… this is the story that she was writing, while all of this was happening around her. While she was in a room full of Ann(e)s fans hyping them up for the new season, she knew this was what she wrote.

Is there a requirement somewhere that in order to be a showrunner you have to be a psychopathic scumbag? I feel like I haven’t seen a single one who isn’t. If their true colors haven’t come out yet, give them time and they will.

I’m glad that the show was canceled and the smile was wiped off her face. She seemed so shocked and appalled when the cancellation happened! GOOD! KARMA!
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Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by News! » 01 Jul 2023, 00:05

Guest wrote:
22 May 2023, 21:23
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She's so fit! Good for her :heart:

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 30 Jun 2023, 22:59

Guest wrote:
01 Jun 2023, 19:53
Is it true they've removed the show from BBC iPlayer?
It's back now.

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 06 Jun 2023, 22:26

Guest wrote:
06 Jun 2023, 19:05
^^ and yet laughs at others campaigning for more of that show you loved.
Follows campaign progress.
Posts it here. To encourage more ridicule presumably.

How big, clever and superior you must be :eyeroll:
Yes, thanks, my dear. :gaypimp:

How about you, do you feel clever and superior now? :nails:

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 06 Jun 2023, 19:05

^^ and yet laughs at others campaigning for more of that show you loved.
Follows campaign progress.
Posts it here. To encourage more ridicule presumably.

How big, clever and superior you must be :eyeroll:

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 06 Jun 2023, 17:19

They keep trying. :lol:





It was a good thing that GJ got cancelled because it became such trash, but I'm sad that no other show will ever be as good as the first season was. I really miss how fun, exciting and satisfying watching that was. :bigcry:

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 02 Jun 2023, 18:52

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 02 Jun 2023, 18:07

Guest wrote:
01 Jun 2023, 19:53
Is it true they've removed the show from BBC iPlayer?
Yes.

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 02 Jun 2023, 11:25

Guest wrote:
01 Jun 2023, 19:53
Is it true they've removed the show from BBC iPlayer?
Yes. I just checked. Season 2 was on there for a year and Season 1 longer. Both are removed now.
:(

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 02 Jun 2023, 11:09

Guest wrote:
31 May 2023, 16:18
I quite enjoyed this. It was refreshing to see SJ not playing ‘the lead!1!’. Much more nuanced performance.
It was actually Eve Best who stole the show in this one I thought but maybe that was just her more sympathetic character.

No lesbian interest but I’d recommend it. (Unlike that Diplomat show of Sophie’s - very generic, very poor. Shame.)

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 01 Jun 2023, 19:53

Is it true they've removed the show from BBC iPlayer?

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 31 May 2023, 16:18

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 22 May 2023, 21:23

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Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 11 May 2023, 15:18

Guest wrote:
07 May 2023, 18:42
Guest wrote:
07 May 2023, 09:33
So pathetic. :lol:

I wonder, are there any other lesbian TV couples Anne/Ann fans have moved on to?
Why is it pathetic? What's wrong with some people wanting to save a show they like?
I don't know if I would call them pathetic, but I've always found the campaign delusional. Pretty much all of the "save whatever" campaigns are dead in the water before they even start, but with Gentleman Jack this was even more so. Post S1 fandom wouldn't have been able to do squat, and the fandom collapsed during season two. Fans also have the tendency to overestimate their show's appeal. Gentleman Jack was always a niche concept and it was a miracle that it did well in the first season (and that it got made at all). The show as it was in season two has no hook or widespread appeal. At least season one was a good love story and a good drama. With season two added to it I can't imagine an executive from anywhere watching it and thinking that it fits their brand, and the stats for season two were awful and marked a very strong downward spiral. It also got NO awards buzz (rightly so).

Maybe there was a bit more energy in the beginning (tho not a lot), but for a long time now the campaign, as far as I've seen, was a couple of dozen older ladies deluding themselves that there was any hope to save the show because they don't know how fandoms and tv work, and believe the lies they're told. And lately the campaign, which I at least thought was clever and had clever ideas in the beginning, has started to become increasingly cringy, like in the examples above.

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 07 May 2023, 18:42

Guest wrote:
07 May 2023, 09:33
So pathetic. :lol:

I wonder, are there any other lesbian TV couples Anne/Ann fans have moved on to?
Why is it pathetic? What's wrong with some people wanting to save a show they like?

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 07 May 2023, 14:59

Guest wrote:
07 May 2023, 09:33
So pathetic. :lol:

I wonder, are there any other lesbian TV couples Anne/Ann fans have moved on to?
ALOTO, which came soon after, I think.

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 07 May 2023, 09:33

So pathetic. :lol:

I wonder, are there any other lesbian TV couples Anne/Ann fans have moved on to?

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 06 May 2023, 17:20





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Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 23 Apr 2023, 22:28

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001l8vg

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Did Sally always look like she lost her will to live or is this a new thing? :nervous:

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 05 Apr 2023, 15:49

Guest wrote:
04 Apr 2023, 15:54
I think Anne would be glad it's cancelled. She'd hate the way Sally ruined Ann(e)s in season 2.

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 04 Apr 2023, 15:54

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 03 Apr 2023, 03:37

Guest wrote:
03 Apr 2023, 03:32
Anne Lister Week is happening. From what I've read on twitter, Suranne sent an audio message through OHooley and Tidow lamenting that she couldn't be there and talking about how special the ballad of Anne and Ann is (or something like that). She's shooting Vigil, but it made me wonder if she ever would show up to one of these things if her schedule permits it. She wanted to go to that con and they cancelled her at the last minute last year. She really does seem like a nice person.

Also, Sally was at the Anne Lister Society meeting and, as expected, no updates on the season 3 that will never come. :eyeroll: I feel sorry for the people who keep fooling themselves about this. What a sad ending to such a brilliant show. :'(

Apparently there are talks with Oxford University Press to publish Anne's diaries, which is cool.
QMTA

Publishing the diaries unabridged, I mean.

Re: Gentleman Jack (HBO)

by Guest » 03 Apr 2023, 03:32

Anne Lister Week is happening. From what I've read on twitter, Suranne sent an audio message through OHooley and Tidow lamenting that she couldn't be there and talking about how special the ballad of Anne and Ann is (or something like that). She's shooting Vigil, but it made me wonder if she ever would show up to one of these things if her schedule permits it. She wanted to go to that con and they cancelled her at the last minute last year. She really does seem like a nice person.

Also, Sally was at the Anne Lister Society meeting and, as expected, no updates on the season 3 that will never come. :eyeroll: I feel sorry for the people who keep fooling themselves about this. What a sad ending to such a brilliant show. :'(

Apparently there are talks with Oxford University Press to publish Anne's diaries, which is cool.

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