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Re: The Wilds

by guestrest » 28 minutes ago

Guest wrote:
Today, 08:49
GuestOooo wrote:
Today, 08:21
gu33st wrote:
Today, 02:59
hate to say this but one of the saddest parts of the show for me is the fact that Shelby's way more into Toni than Toni's into Shelby. its so sad that we never saw any actual regret for the way she treated Shelby b4 their breakup. she's the only character who doesn't really get solid development because of how it ends on her regressing. right down to the part in the bunker where she makes fun of Shelby to the investigators with the ^it'll just mix things up more" about the shelter building contest

i read somewhere that they took a few takes of Toni doing Shelby's accent/making fun of her with a lot more anger/hatred but then decided to switch to a different vibe that they ended up putting in. but idk it still feels really mean spirited, i'm not sure if that was the intent since they switched it from angry but knowing what happened between them its uncomfortable rewatching that scene
it’s less that Toni doesn’t like Shelby but more that she has a lot of trauma and it makes her push people she loves/that love her away. she’s not able to flourish in intimate relationships because of her upbringing. this is why her character getting professional help is so important and also why she can never be a prince charming. she will always be flawed. Shelby is the prince charming, if either of them: the way she deals with Toni being aggressive, ignoring her, putting her down, gaslighting her feelings, in an emotionally mature way. yet Twitter idiots say she “broke up with herself” because Toni was giving her the silent treatment. ppl love to read and write Shelby as crazy and Toni as a Prince (diary) but it’s not an intuitive characterization. Toni is abusive in tw and to Reagan and needs help.
DA It's because Toni plays basketball and wears tank tops while Shelby does beauty pageants and wears pink. I really don't think the widely adopted Prince Toni characterization comes from a place deeper than 'she's too masc to not have the game of a stud' (canon be completely and utterly damned). Twitter idiots love their heteronormative thinking. Toni, aesthetically speaking, is peak 'she's so boyfriend' material. A natural knock-on of writing her as the perfect romeo is that she gets written without any kind of other flaw to her name as well. Shelby, on the other hand, with her tiaras and her pretty blonde hair, gets given all those pesky emotions that good hysterical women have.
You’re riiiiiight! I don’t mind when Shelby is eccentric sometimes because she is canonically. But the hysterical fem with calm masc is annoying. And when written in that way, it usually comes with Shelby being more into Toni too

Re: The Wilds

by Guest » Today, 08:49

GuestOooo wrote:
Today, 08:21
gu33st wrote:
Today, 02:59
hate to say this but one of the saddest parts of the show for me is the fact that Shelby's way more into Toni than Toni's into Shelby. its so sad that we never saw any actual regret for the way she treated Shelby b4 their breakup. she's the only character who doesn't really get solid development because of how it ends on her regressing. right down to the part in the bunker where she makes fun of Shelby to the investigators with the ^it'll just mix things up more" about the shelter building contest

i read somewhere that they took a few takes of Toni doing Shelby's accent/making fun of her with a lot more anger/hatred but then decided to switch to a different vibe that they ended up putting in. but idk it still feels really mean spirited, i'm not sure if that was the intent since they switched it from angry but knowing what happened between them its uncomfortable rewatching that scene
it’s less that Toni doesn’t like Shelby but more that she has a lot of trauma and it makes her push people she loves/that love her away. she’s not able to flourish in intimate relationships because of her upbringing. this is why her character getting professional help is so important and also why she can never be a prince charming. she will always be flawed. Shelby is the prince charming, if either of them: the way she deals with Toni being aggressive, ignoring her, putting her down, gaslighting her feelings, in an emotionally mature way. yet Twitter idiots say she “broke up with herself” because Toni was giving her the silent treatment. ppl love to read and write Shelby as crazy and Toni as a Prince (diary) but it’s not an intuitive characterization. Toni is abusive in tw and to Reagan and needs help.
DA It's because Toni plays basketball and wears tank tops while Shelby does beauty pageants and wears pink. I really don't think the widely adopted Prince Toni characterization comes from a place deeper than 'she's too masc to not have the game of a stud' (canon be completely and utterly damned). Twitter idiots love their heteronormative thinking. Toni, aesthetically speaking, is peak 'she's so boyfriend' material. A natural knock-on of writing her as the perfect romeo is that she gets written without any kind of other flaw to her name as well. Shelby, on the other hand, with her tiaras and her pretty blonde hair, gets given all those pesky emotions that good hysterical women have.

Re: The Wilds

by GuestOooo » Today, 08:21

gu33st wrote:
Today, 02:59
hate to say this but one of the saddest parts of the show for me is the fact that Shelby's way more into Toni than Toni's into Shelby. its so sad that we never saw any actual regret for the way she treated Shelby b4 their breakup. she's the only character who doesn't really get solid development because of how it ends on her regressing. right down to the part in the bunker where she makes fun of Shelby to the investigators with the ^it'll just mix things up more" about the shelter building contest

i read somewhere that they took a few takes of Toni doing Shelby's accent/making fun of her with a lot more anger/hatred but then decided to switch to a different vibe that they ended up putting in. but idk it still feels really mean spirited, i'm not sure if that was the intent since they switched it from angry but knowing what happened between them its uncomfortable rewatching that scene
it’s less that Toni doesn’t like Shelby but more that she has a lot of trauma and it makes her push people she loves/that love her away. she’s not able to flourish in intimate relationships because of her upbringing. this is why her character getting professional help is so important and also why she can never be a prince charming. she will always be flawed. Shelby is the prince charming, if either of them: the way she deals with Toni being aggressive, ignoring her, putting her down, gaslighting her feelings, in an emotionally mature way. yet Twitter idiots say she “broke up with herself” because Toni was giving her the silent treatment. ppl love to read and write Shelby as crazy and Toni as a Prince (diary) but it’s not an intuitive characterization. Toni is abusive in tw and to Reagan and needs help.

Re: The Wilds

by gu33st » Today, 02:59

hate to say this but one of the saddest parts of the show for me is the fact that Shelby's way more into Toni than Toni's into Shelby. its so sad that we never saw any actual regret for the way she treated Shelby b4 their breakup. she's the only character who doesn't really get solid development because of how it ends on her regressing. right down to the part in the bunker where she makes fun of Shelby to the investigators with the ^it'll just mix things up more" about the shelter building contest

i read somewhere that they took a few takes of Toni doing Shelby's accent/making fun of her with a lot more anger/hatred but then decided to switch to a different vibe that they ended up putting in. but idk it still feels really mean spirited, i'm not sure if that was the intent since they switched it from angry but knowing what happened between them its uncomfortable rewatching that scene

Re: The Wilds

by guest6 » Yesterday, 02:15

Guest wrote:
Yesterday, 01:33
Guest wrote:
Yesterday, 01:10
GuestJJ wrote:
Yesterday, 00:53
guest6 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 19:51
Guest wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 18:55


I don’t think it’s too far off to assume some authors are on here, but I also doubt jcat came here, saw people mention therapy, and put it in a chapter the next day

Agree though. I love the fic too and am really glad it was touched on
haha i don't think jcat's taking writing advice from the l chat. they seem like they know what they're doing and it's definitely a necessary inclusion
She could be. It wasnt fleshed out. Only a few sentences opening the idea of it. Its ok if she does take advice. Its not writing advice its about characters development we all know and love. Its ok if she realized she missed the mark not mentioning until now through something else and changed it. I too would prefer them to work on themselves separate before rekindling but it’s nice to see it.
Saying she missed the mark feels far even if therapy was never mentioned at all. LST is a great fic with great characterization. While it’s a good mention, earlier chapters showed them addressing and working on their pasts in a very realistic, appropriate way that would have gotten them to the point they are at now with or without a therapist. I think it’s a logical thing for them to go to one together after reconnecting, but don’t think they couldn’t find their way back to each other without one in the first place
Agree with this and also think it’s just a coincidence(assuming the anon above was saying that too). It didn’t feel like a last minute addition even if it was only a few paragraphs. She had multiple short excerpts over the first part of the chapter: Toni’s relationship with her(the therapy talk), and moments of her with each of Shelby’s siblings so I feel like it was planned before anything on here
i agree that it's a good fic with or without the therapy. i also agree that it feels like a slightly missed opportunity to really solidly commit to where the development in the years apart that we didn't get to see came from but I'm fine accepting characterizations as is given the way its organized. maybe its more of a thing where i wish we could have seen more from there past but only because i like it so much

i just read the new update for I Wish You Knew and I feel like it deserves some more appreciation for this. it already committed to therapy being necessary for both of them but it took it a step further in a way that I really appreciate. also i love a fic like iwyk that has Toni give a sincere apology. too many times she just shows up and makes out with Shelby and Shelby immediately forgives her so it's nice to see her put in the work to fix things

Re: The Wilds

by Guest » Yesterday, 01:33

Guest wrote:
Yesterday, 01:10
GuestJJ wrote:
Yesterday, 00:53
guest6 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 19:51
Guest wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 18:55
guest6 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 17:58


Jcat literally just posted a chapter of LST in which they go to therapy. It's like they read our minds...

I really like that, although I still feel like it would have made more sense if Toni had been in therapy since their breakup given her development. I love that fic
I don’t think it’s too far off to assume some authors are on here, but I also doubt jcat came here, saw people mention therapy, and put it in a chapter the next day

Agree though. I love the fic too and am really glad it was touched on
haha i don't think jcat's taking writing advice from the l chat. they seem like they know what they're doing and it's definitely a necessary inclusion
She could be. It wasnt fleshed out. Only a few sentences opening the idea of it. Its ok if she does take advice. Its not writing advice its about characters development we all know and love. Its ok if she realized she missed the mark not mentioning until now through something else and changed it. I too would prefer them to work on themselves separate before rekindling but it’s nice to see it.
Saying she missed the mark feels far even if therapy was never mentioned at all. LST is a great fic with great characterization. While it’s a good mention, earlier chapters showed them addressing and working on their pasts in a very realistic, appropriate way that would have gotten them to the point they are at now with or without a therapist. I think it’s a logical thing for them to go to one together after reconnecting, but don’t think they couldn’t find their way back to each other without one in the first place
Agree with this and also think it’s just a coincidence(assuming the anon above was saying that too). It didn’t feel like a last minute addition even if it was only a few paragraphs. She had multiple short excerpts over the first part of the chapter: Toni’s relationship with her(the therapy talk), and moments of her with each of Shelby’s siblings so I feel like it was planned before anything on here

Re: The Wilds

by Guest » Yesterday, 01:10

GuestJJ wrote:
Yesterday, 00:53
guest6 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 19:51
Guest wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 18:55
guest6 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 17:58
Guest wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 13:37


It’s not written to my knowledge, but does feel like something that would have been in their time apart. I’ll choose to believe they did and it is just not on page because it’s one of my all time favorite fics. Maybe something the author could go back and add because it really does make sense for their story
Jcat literally just posted a chapter of LST in which they go to therapy. It's like they read our minds...

I really like that, although I still feel like it would have made more sense if Toni had been in therapy since their breakup given her development. I love that fic
I don’t think it’s too far off to assume some authors are on here, but I also doubt jcat came here, saw people mention therapy, and put it in a chapter the next day

Agree though. I love the fic too and am really glad it was touched on
haha i don't think jcat's taking writing advice from the l chat. they seem like they know what they're doing and it's definitely a necessary inclusion
She could be. It wasnt fleshed out. Only a few sentences opening the idea of it. Its ok if she does take advice. Its not writing advice its about characters development we all know and love. Its ok if she realized she missed the mark not mentioning until now through something else and changed it. I too would prefer them to work on themselves separate before rekindling but it’s nice to see it.
Saying she missed the mark feels far even if therapy was never mentioned at all. LST is a great fic with great characterization. While it’s a good mention, earlier chapters showed them addressing and working on their pasts in a very realistic, appropriate way that would have gotten them to the point they are at now with or without a therapist. I think it’s a logical thing for them to go to one together after reconnecting, but don’t think they couldn’t find their way back to each other without one in the first place

Re: The Wilds

by Guest » Yesterday, 01:00

Thoughts on let’s fuck up the friendship? It’s almost completed

Re: The Wilds

by GuestJJ » Yesterday, 00:53

guest6 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 19:51
Guest wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 18:55
guest6 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 17:58
Guest wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 13:37
guesty9 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 02:28


Whoops! Just checked and I was wrong. It really feels like they should have in LST, now their development makes a little less sense but it's still a great fic. Wild at heart does have therapy for both of them tho, I just checked again
It’s not written to my knowledge, but does feel like something that would have been in their time apart. I’ll choose to believe they did and it is just not on page because it’s one of my all time favorite fics. Maybe something the author could go back and add because it really does make sense for their story
Jcat literally just posted a chapter of LST in which they go to therapy. It's like they read our minds...

I really like that, although I still feel like it would have made more sense if Toni had been in therapy since their breakup given her development. I love that fic
I don’t think it’s too far off to assume some authors are on here, but I also doubt jcat came here, saw people mention therapy, and put it in a chapter the next day

Agree though. I love the fic too and am really glad it was touched on
haha i don't think jcat's taking writing advice from the l chat. they seem like they know what they're doing and it's definitely a necessary inclusion
She could be. It wasnt fleshed out. Only a few sentences opening the idea of it. Its ok if she does take advice. Its not writing advice its about characters development we all know and love. Its ok if she realized she missed the mark not mentioning until now through something else and changed it. I too would prefer them to work on themselves separate before rekindling but it’s nice to see it.

Re: The Wilds

by guest6 » 26 Mar 2024, 19:51

Guest wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 18:55
guest6 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 17:58
Guest wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 13:37
guesty9 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 02:28
GuestyGuesty wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 01:16


I didn’t realize LST had them go to a therapists?
Whoops! Just checked and I was wrong. It really feels like they should have in LST, now their development makes a little less sense but it's still a great fic. Wild at heart does have therapy for both of them tho, I just checked again
It’s not written to my knowledge, but does feel like something that would have been in their time apart. I’ll choose to believe they did and it is just not on page because it’s one of my all time favorite fics. Maybe something the author could go back and add because it really does make sense for their story
Jcat literally just posted a chapter of LST in which they go to therapy. It's like they read our minds...

I really like that, although I still feel like it would have made more sense if Toni had been in therapy since their breakup given her development. I love that fic
I don’t think it’s too far off to assume some authors are on here, but I also doubt jcat came here, saw people mention therapy, and put it in a chapter the next day

Agree though. I love the fic too and am really glad it was touched on
haha i don't think jcat's taking writing advice from the l chat. they seem like they know what they're doing and it's definitely a necessary inclusion

Re: The Wilds

by Guest » 26 Mar 2024, 19:49

Guest wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 18:55
guest6 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 17:58
Guest wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 13:37
guesty9 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 02:28
GuestyGuesty wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 01:16


I didn’t realize LST had them go to a therapists?
Whoops! Just checked and I was wrong. It really feels like they should have in LST, now their development makes a little less sense but it's still a great fic. Wild at heart does have therapy for both of them tho, I just checked again
It’s not written to my knowledge, but does feel like something that would have been in their time apart. I’ll choose to believe they did and it is just not on page because it’s one of my all time favorite fics. Maybe something the author could go back and add because it really does make sense for their story
Jcat literally just posted a chapter of LST in which they go to therapy. It's like they read our minds...

I really like that, although I still feel like it would have made more sense if Toni had been in therapy since their breakup given her development. I love that fic
I don’t think it’s too far off to assume some authors are on here, but I also doubt jcat came here, saw people mention therapy, and put it in a chapter the next day

Agree though. I love the fic too and am really glad it was touched on
i just read the chapter and agree that it was a good mention. just a quick little moment but i really liked it. it shows that they are committed to making mature changes for their relationship as adults. also mentioned an interesting point i had never though of:

Re: The Wilds

by Guest » 26 Mar 2024, 18:55

guest6 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 17:58
Guest wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 13:37
guesty9 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 02:28
GuestyGuesty wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 01:16
guest9 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 01:08


Yes! That's what I'm enjoying about the Wild at Heart fic. It's another one that shows them reuniting after years of individual therapy and working through their toxic history together. I'll throw Lightning Strikes Twice in the same category

^two more good therapy fics that don't downplay the toxic traits of either one while treating them both with tons of respect and letting them grow
I didn’t realize LST had them go to a therapists?
Whoops! Just checked and I was wrong. It really feels like they should have in LST, now their development makes a little less sense but it's still a great fic. Wild at heart does have therapy for both of them tho, I just checked again
It’s not written to my knowledge, but does feel like something that would have been in their time apart. I’ll choose to believe they did and it is just not on page because it’s one of my all time favorite fics. Maybe something the author could go back and add because it really does make sense for their story
Jcat literally just posted a chapter of LST in which they go to therapy. It's like they read our minds...

I really like that, although I still feel like it would have made more sense if Toni had been in therapy since their breakup given her development. I love that fic
I don’t think it’s too far off to assume some authors are on here, but I also doubt jcat came here, saw people mention therapy, and put it in a chapter the next day

Agree though. I love the fic too and am really glad it was touched on

Re: The Wilds

by guest6 » 26 Mar 2024, 17:58

Guest wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 13:37
guesty9 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 02:28
GuestyGuesty wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 01:16
guest9 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 01:08
GuestyGuesty wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 00:43


With their backgrounds (if honored) it’s impossible they would make it without professional help. The way Toni dismissed Shelby when Martha is catatonic and tells her she’s making it about her and her physical aggression. I think somebody said here the other day what she did to Reagan and her vehicle is terrifying. It’s extreme and more often downplayed so I love when we get to see her mend and be in love and enjoy it despite having problems.
Yes! That's what I'm enjoying about the Wild at Heart fic. It's another one that shows them reuniting after years of individual therapy and working through their toxic history together. I'll throw Lightning Strikes Twice in the same category

^two more good therapy fics that don't downplay the toxic traits of either one while treating them both with tons of respect and letting them grow
I didn’t realize LST had them go to a therapists?
Whoops! Just checked and I was wrong. It really feels like they should have in LST, now their development makes a little less sense but it's still a great fic. Wild at heart does have therapy for both of them tho, I just checked again
It’s not written to my knowledge, but does feel like something that would have been in their time apart. I’ll choose to believe they did and it is just not on page because it’s one of my all time favorite fics. Maybe something the author could go back and add because it really does make sense for their story
Jcat literally just posted a chapter of LST in which they go to therapy. It's like they read our minds...

I really like that, although I still feel like it would have made more sense if Toni had been in therapy since their breakup given her development. I love that fic

Re: The Wilds

by Guest » 26 Mar 2024, 13:37

guesty9 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 02:28
GuestyGuesty wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 01:16
guest9 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 01:08
GuestyGuesty wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 00:43
readerguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 22:27


i wish you knew toni is in therapy. bard has written shelby in therapy here and there in different fix. the new anon fic where they have the kid with cancer has some therapy scenes. it’s great i agree but must be hard to write. wish people mentioned it at least tho as u say
With their backgrounds (if honored) it’s impossible they would make it without professional help. The way Toni dismissed Shelby when Martha is catatonic and tells her she’s making it about her and her physical aggression. I think somebody said here the other day what she did to Reagan and her vehicle is terrifying. It’s extreme and more often downplayed so I love when we get to see her mend and be in love and enjoy it despite having problems.
Yes! That's what I'm enjoying about the Wild at Heart fic. It's another one that shows them reuniting after years of individual therapy and working through their toxic history together. I'll throw Lightning Strikes Twice in the same category

^two more good therapy fics that don't downplay the toxic traits of either one while treating them both with tons of respect and letting them grow
I didn’t realize LST had them go to a therapists?
Whoops! Just checked and I was wrong. It really feels like they should have in LST, now their development makes a little less sense but it's still a great fic. Wild at heart does have therapy for both of them tho, I just checked again
It’s not written to my knowledge, but does feel like something that would have been in their time apart. I’ll choose to believe they did and it is just not on page because it’s one of my all time favorite fics. Maybe something the author could go back and add because it really does make sense for their story

Re: The Wilds

by guesttttttttttttt » 26 Mar 2024, 04:58

guesty9 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 02:28
GuestyGuesty wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 01:16
guest9 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 01:08
GuestyGuesty wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 00:43
readerguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 22:27


i wish you knew toni is in therapy. bard has written shelby in therapy here and there in different fix. the new anon fic where they have the kid with cancer has some therapy scenes. it’s great i agree but must be hard to write. wish people mentioned it at least tho as u say
With their backgrounds (if honored) it’s impossible they would make it without professional help. The way Toni dismissed Shelby when Martha is catatonic and tells her she’s making it about her and her physical aggression. I think somebody said here the other day what she did to Reagan and her vehicle is terrifying. It’s extreme and more often downplayed so I love when we get to see her mend and be in love and enjoy it despite having problems.
Yes! That's what I'm enjoying about the Wild at Heart fic. It's another one that shows them reuniting after years of individual therapy and working through their toxic history together. I'll throw Lightning Strikes Twice in the same category

^two more good therapy fics that don't downplay the toxic traits of either one while treating them both with tons of respect and letting them grow
I didn’t realize LST had them go to a therapists?
Whoops! Just checked and I was wrong. It really feels like they should have in LST, now their development makes a little less sense but it's still a great fic. Wild at heart does have therapy for both of them tho, I just checked again
i do understnd it. it must be difficult to pull off. going that deep into their issues. but like someone said even mentioning it without showing the session would be nice.

Re: The Wilds

by guesty9 » 26 Mar 2024, 02:28

GuestyGuesty wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 01:16
guest9 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 01:08
GuestyGuesty wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 00:43
readerguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 22:27
guest0 wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 17:13


What other authors utilize therapy? I feel so much better knowing that they're getting care for their trauma so even if it's just mentioned in passing and not actually shown in a scene I'd love for some recommendations!
i wish you knew toni is in therapy. bard has written shelby in therapy here and there in different fix. the new anon fic where they have the kid with cancer has some therapy scenes. it’s great i agree but must be hard to write. wish people mentioned it at least tho as u say
With their backgrounds (if honored) it’s impossible they would make it without professional help. The way Toni dismissed Shelby when Martha is catatonic and tells her she’s making it about her and her physical aggression. I think somebody said here the other day what she did to Reagan and her vehicle is terrifying. It’s extreme and more often downplayed so I love when we get to see her mend and be in love and enjoy it despite having problems.
Yes! That's what I'm enjoying about the Wild at Heart fic. It's another one that shows them reuniting after years of individual therapy and working through their toxic history together. I'll throw Lightning Strikes Twice in the same category

^two more good therapy fics that don't downplay the toxic traits of either one while treating them both with tons of respect and letting them grow
I didn’t realize LST had them go to a therapists?
Whoops! Just checked and I was wrong. It really feels like they should have in LST, now their development makes a little less sense but it's still a great fic. Wild at heart does have therapy for both of them tho, I just checked again

Re: The Wilds

by GuestyGuesty » 26 Mar 2024, 01:20

Guest wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 01:11
GuestyGuesty wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 00:43
readerguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 22:27
guest0 wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 17:13
readerguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 15:53


yah bc you’re seeing the outside work they do on themselves it works. i like how the author has managed to keep toni in character and imperfect but still so loving and caring of shelby all the way thru. ive seen a few authors utilize therapy over this last year but that author really knows what they are doing with it. sad to see it end.
What other authors utilize therapy? I feel so much better knowing that they're getting care for their trauma so even if it's just mentioned in passing and not actually shown in a scene I'd love for some recommendations!
i wish you knew toni is in therapy. bard has written shelby in therapy here and there in different fix. the new anon fic where they have the kid with cancer has some therapy scenes. it’s great i agree but must be hard to write. wish people mentioned it at least tho as u say
With their backgrounds (if honored) it’s impossible they would make it without professional help. The way Toni dismissed Shelby when Martha is catatonic and tells her she’s making it about her and her physical aggression. I think somebody said here the other day what she did to Reagan and her vehicle is terrifying. It’s extreme and more often downplayed so I love when we get to see her mend and be in love and enjoy it despite having problems.
Is there any fics that deal with Toni dismissing Shelby or shutting her out like she does in s2? And not necessarily canon compliant.
Last chapter of same same but different does a twist on it. It’s a couples therapy session after Toni has an episode of shutting Shelby out and not responding to her once they are an established couple. I don’t think I’ve seen it elsewhere. Toni is seen running away more than staying annd ignoring her I think. It was interesting to see how they did it.

Re: The Wilds

by GuestyGuesty » 26 Mar 2024, 01:16

guest9 wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 01:08
GuestyGuesty wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 00:43
readerguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 22:27
guest0 wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 17:13
readerguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 15:53


yah bc you’re seeing the outside work they do on themselves it works. i like how the author has managed to keep toni in character and imperfect but still so loving and caring of shelby all the way thru. ive seen a few authors utilize therapy over this last year but that author really knows what they are doing with it. sad to see it end.
What other authors utilize therapy? I feel so much better knowing that they're getting care for their trauma so even if it's just mentioned in passing and not actually shown in a scene I'd love for some recommendations!
i wish you knew toni is in therapy. bard has written shelby in therapy here and there in different fix. the new anon fic where they have the kid with cancer has some therapy scenes. it’s great i agree but must be hard to write. wish people mentioned it at least tho as u say
With their backgrounds (if honored) it’s impossible they would make it without professional help. The way Toni dismissed Shelby when Martha is catatonic and tells her she’s making it about her and her physical aggression. I think somebody said here the other day what she did to Reagan and her vehicle is terrifying. It’s extreme and more often downplayed so I love when we get to see her mend and be in love and enjoy it despite having problems.
Yes! That's what I'm enjoying about the Wild at Heart fic. It's another one that shows them reuniting after years of individual therapy and working through their toxic history together. I'll throw Lightning Strikes Twice in the same category

^two more good therapy fics that don't downplay the toxic traits of either one while treating them both with tons of respect and letting them grow
I didn’t realize LST had them go to a therapists?

Re: The Wilds

by Guest » 26 Mar 2024, 01:11

GuestyGuesty wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 00:43
readerguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 22:27
guest0 wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 17:13
readerguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 15:53
Guest5 wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 14:32


Agreed that it's fresh!

I have a bit of a problem with fics that make it seem like Toni and Shelby would move toward a stable relationship without either of them messing it up and causing angst along the way (it sometimes feels OOC given how self-destructive Toni is and how scared Shelby is) but this one does it SO well by really utilizing the fact that they're both older and wiser. I love the therapy sessions in Same Same
yah bc you’re seeing the outside work they do on themselves it works. i like how the author has managed to keep toni in character and imperfect but still so loving and caring of shelby all the way thru. ive seen a few authors utilize therapy over this last year but that author really knows what they are doing with it. sad to see it end.
What other authors utilize therapy? I feel so much better knowing that they're getting care for their trauma so even if it's just mentioned in passing and not actually shown in a scene I'd love for some recommendations!
i wish you knew toni is in therapy. bard has written shelby in therapy here and there in different fix. the new anon fic where they have the kid with cancer has some therapy scenes. it’s great i agree but must be hard to write. wish people mentioned it at least tho as u say
With their backgrounds (if honored) it’s impossible they would make it without professional help. The way Toni dismissed Shelby when Martha is catatonic and tells her she’s making it about her and her physical aggression. I think somebody said here the other day what she did to Reagan and her vehicle is terrifying. It’s extreme and more often downplayed so I love when we get to see her mend and be in love and enjoy it despite having problems.
Is there any fics that deal with Toni dismissing Shelby or shutting her out like she does in s2? And not necessarily canon compliant.

Re: The Wilds

by guest9 » 26 Mar 2024, 01:08

GuestyGuesty wrote:
26 Mar 2024, 00:43
readerguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 22:27
guest0 wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 17:13
readerguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 15:53
Guest5 wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 14:32


Agreed that it's fresh!

I have a bit of a problem with fics that make it seem like Toni and Shelby would move toward a stable relationship without either of them messing it up and causing angst along the way (it sometimes feels OOC given how self-destructive Toni is and how scared Shelby is) but this one does it SO well by really utilizing the fact that they're both older and wiser. I love the therapy sessions in Same Same
yah bc you’re seeing the outside work they do on themselves it works. i like how the author has managed to keep toni in character and imperfect but still so loving and caring of shelby all the way thru. ive seen a few authors utilize therapy over this last year but that author really knows what they are doing with it. sad to see it end.
What other authors utilize therapy? I feel so much better knowing that they're getting care for their trauma so even if it's just mentioned in passing and not actually shown in a scene I'd love for some recommendations!
i wish you knew toni is in therapy. bard has written shelby in therapy here and there in different fix. the new anon fic where they have the kid with cancer has some therapy scenes. it’s great i agree but must be hard to write. wish people mentioned it at least tho as u say
With their backgrounds (if honored) it’s impossible they would make it without professional help. The way Toni dismissed Shelby when Martha is catatonic and tells her she’s making it about her and her physical aggression. I think somebody said here the other day what she did to Reagan and her vehicle is terrifying. It’s extreme and more often downplayed so I love when we get to see her mend and be in love and enjoy it despite having problems.
Yes! That's what I'm enjoying about the Wild at Heart fic. It's another one that shows them reuniting after years of individual therapy and working through their toxic history together. I'll throw Lightning Strikes Twice in the same category

^two more good therapy fics that don't downplay the toxic traits of either one while treating them both with tons of respect and letting them grow

Re: The Wilds

by GuestyGuesty » 26 Mar 2024, 00:43

readerguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 22:27
guest0 wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 17:13
readerguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 15:53
Guest5 wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 14:32
GuestyGuesty wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 12:39


I agree. That fic does things I’ve never seen b4 with them as individuals and a couple by taking their cannon backstories to new places. Angst is around their issues and childhoods not manufactured between them as part of the plot. Toni POV and very respectful of both of them. Gives lots of time to Shelby’s history even though it’s not her POV. Love the way it’s written too and interesting to have most of it set outside of America.
Agreed that it's fresh!

I have a bit of a problem with fics that make it seem like Toni and Shelby would move toward a stable relationship without either of them messing it up and causing angst along the way (it sometimes feels OOC given how self-destructive Toni is and how scared Shelby is) but this one does it SO well by really utilizing the fact that they're both older and wiser. I love the therapy sessions in Same Same
yah bc you’re seeing the outside work they do on themselves it works. i like how the author has managed to keep toni in character and imperfect but still so loving and caring of shelby all the way thru. ive seen a few authors utilize therapy over this last year but that author really knows what they are doing with it. sad to see it end.
What other authors utilize therapy? I feel so much better knowing that they're getting care for their trauma so even if it's just mentioned in passing and not actually shown in a scene I'd love for some recommendations!
i wish you knew toni is in therapy. bard has written shelby in therapy here and there in different fix. the new anon fic where they have the kid with cancer has some therapy scenes. it’s great i agree but must be hard to write. wish people mentioned it at least tho as u say
With their backgrounds (if honored) it’s impossible they would make it without professional help. The way Toni dismissed Shelby when Martha is catatonic and tells her she’s making it about her and her physical aggression. I think somebody said here the other day what she did to Reagan and her vehicle is terrifying. It’s extreme and more often downplayed so I love when we get to see her mend and be in love and enjoy it despite having problems.

Re: The Wilds

by readerguest » 25 Mar 2024, 22:27

guest0 wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 17:13
readerguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 15:53
Guest5 wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 14:32
GuestyGuesty wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 12:39
gguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 11:50


Yes! It does such a great job of preserving canon backstories and REALLY honoring them in an AU, like the whole thing is just them working out their issues and helping each other heal. I loved it
I agree. That fic does things I’ve never seen b4 with them as individuals and a couple by taking their cannon backstories to new places. Angst is around their issues and childhoods not manufactured between them as part of the plot. Toni POV and very respectful of both of them. Gives lots of time to Shelby’s history even though it’s not her POV. Love the way it’s written too and interesting to have most of it set outside of America.
Agreed that it's fresh!

I have a bit of a problem with fics that make it seem like Toni and Shelby would move toward a stable relationship without either of them messing it up and causing angst along the way (it sometimes feels OOC given how self-destructive Toni is and how scared Shelby is) but this one does it SO well by really utilizing the fact that they're both older and wiser. I love the therapy sessions in Same Same
yah bc you’re seeing the outside work they do on themselves it works. i like how the author has managed to keep toni in character and imperfect but still so loving and caring of shelby all the way thru. ive seen a few authors utilize therapy over this last year but that author really knows what they are doing with it. sad to see it end.
What other authors utilize therapy? I feel so much better knowing that they're getting care for their trauma so even if it's just mentioned in passing and not actually shown in a scene I'd love for some recommendations!
i wish you knew toni is in therapy. bard has written shelby in therapy here and there in different fix. the new anon fic where they have the kid with cancer has some therapy scenes. it’s great i agree but must be hard to write. wish people mentioned it at least tho as u say

Re: The Wilds

by guest0 » 25 Mar 2024, 17:13

readerguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 15:53
Guest5 wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 14:32
GuestyGuesty wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 12:39
gguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 11:50
GuestU wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 05:13


i am going to start this week was waiting until complete bc it got deleted once. but i really liked the first couple chapters when i read the first time round. did you read it all?
Yes! It does such a great job of preserving canon backstories and REALLY honoring them in an AU, like the whole thing is just them working out their issues and helping each other heal. I loved it
I agree. That fic does things I’ve never seen b4 with them as individuals and a couple by taking their cannon backstories to new places. Angst is around their issues and childhoods not manufactured between them as part of the plot. Toni POV and very respectful of both of them. Gives lots of time to Shelby’s history even though it’s not her POV. Love the way it’s written too and interesting to have most of it set outside of America.
Agreed that it's fresh!

I have a bit of a problem with fics that make it seem like Toni and Shelby would move toward a stable relationship without either of them messing it up and causing angst along the way (it sometimes feels OOC given how self-destructive Toni is and how scared Shelby is) but this one does it SO well by really utilizing the fact that they're both older and wiser. I love the therapy sessions in Same Same
yah bc you’re seeing the outside work they do on themselves it works. i like how the author has managed to keep toni in character and imperfect but still so loving and caring of shelby all the way thru. ive seen a few authors utilize therapy over this last year but that author really knows what they are doing with it. sad to see it end.
What other authors utilize therapy? I feel so much better knowing that they're getting care for their trauma so even if it's just mentioned in passing and not actually shown in a scene I'd love for some recommendations!

Re: The Wilds

by readerguest » 25 Mar 2024, 15:53

Guest5 wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 14:32
GuestyGuesty wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 12:39
gguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 11:50
GuestU wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 05:13
tguest wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 21:50
Thoughts on Same Same But Different now that it's complete?
i am going to start this week was waiting until complete bc it got deleted once. but i really liked the first couple chapters when i read the first time round. did you read it all?
Yes! It does such a great job of preserving canon backstories and REALLY honoring them in an AU, like the whole thing is just them working out their issues and helping each other heal. I loved it
I agree. That fic does things I’ve never seen b4 with them as individuals and a couple by taking their cannon backstories to new places. Angst is around their issues and childhoods not manufactured between them as part of the plot. Toni POV and very respectful of both of them. Gives lots of time to Shelby’s history even though it’s not her POV. Love the way it’s written too and interesting to have most of it set outside of America.
Agreed that it's fresh!

I have a bit of a problem with fics that make it seem like Toni and Shelby would move toward a stable relationship without either of them messing it up and causing angst along the way (it sometimes feels OOC given how self-destructive Toni is and how scared Shelby is) but this one does it SO well by really utilizing the fact that they're both older and wiser. I love the therapy sessions in Same Same
yah bc you’re seeing the outside work they do on themselves it works. i like how the author has managed to keep toni in character and imperfect but still so loving and caring of shelby all the way thru. ive seen a few authors utilize therapy over this last year but that author really knows what they are doing with it. sad to see it end.

Re: The Wilds

by Guest5 » 25 Mar 2024, 14:32

GuestyGuesty wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 12:39
gguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 11:50
GuestU wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 05:13
tguest wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 21:50
Thoughts on Same Same But Different now that it's complete?
i am going to start this week was waiting until complete bc it got deleted once. but i really liked the first couple chapters when i read the first time round. did you read it all?
Yes! It does such a great job of preserving canon backstories and REALLY honoring them in an AU, like the whole thing is just them working out their issues and helping each other heal. I loved it
I agree. That fic does things I’ve never seen b4 with them as individuals and a couple by taking their cannon backstories to new places. Angst is around their issues and childhoods not manufactured between them as part of the plot. Toni POV and very respectful of both of them. Gives lots of time to Shelby’s history even though it’s not her POV. Love the way it’s written too and interesting to have most of it set outside of America.
Agreed that it's fresh!

I have a bit of a problem with fics that make it seem like Toni and Shelby would move toward a stable relationship without either of them messing it up and causing angst along the way (it sometimes feels OOC given how self-destructive Toni is and how scared Shelby is) but this one does it SO well by really utilizing the fact that they're both older and wiser. I love the therapy sessions in Same Same

Re: The Wilds

by GuestyGuesty » 25 Mar 2024, 12:39

gguest wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 11:50
GuestU wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 05:13
tguest wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 21:50
Thoughts on Same Same But Different now that it's complete?
i am going to start this week was waiting until complete bc it got deleted once. but i really liked the first couple chapters when i read the first time round. did you read it all?
Yes! It does such a great job of preserving canon backstories and REALLY honoring them in an AU, like the whole thing is just them working out their issues and helping each other heal. I loved it
I agree. That fic does things I’ve never seen b4 with them as individuals and a couple by taking their cannon backstories to new places. Angst is around their issues and childhoods not manufactured between them as part of the plot. Toni POV and very respectful of both of them. Gives lots of time to Shelby’s history even though it’s not her POV. Love the way it’s written too and interesting to have most of it set outside of America.

Re: The Wilds

by gguest » 25 Mar 2024, 11:50

GuestU wrote:
25 Mar 2024, 05:13
tguest wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 21:50
Thoughts on Same Same But Different now that it's complete?
i am going to start this week was waiting until complete bc it got deleted once. but i really liked the first couple chapters when i read the first time round. did you read it all?
Yes! It does such a great job of preserving canon backstories and REALLY honoring them in an AU, like the whole thing is just them working out their issues and helping each other heal. I loved it

Re: The Wilds

by GuestU » 25 Mar 2024, 05:13

tguest wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 21:50
Thoughts on Same Same But Different now that it's complete?
i am going to start this week was waiting until complete bc it got deleted once. but i really liked the first couple chapters when i read the first time round. did you read it all?

Re: The Wilds

by tguest » 24 Mar 2024, 21:50

Thoughts on Same Same But Different now that it's complete?

Re: The Wilds

by Guest » 24 Mar 2024, 17:24

Guest wrote:
24 Mar 2024, 15:41
GuestB wrote:
23 Mar 2024, 03:13
Gruest wrote:
21 Mar 2024, 15:30
Guest wrote:
21 Mar 2024, 02:29
Thoughts on Dear Reader… so far?
I normally enjoy Badmean's stuff and Dear Reader has SUCH a creative concept so massive kudos, but I'm finding it hard to get into. It feels a little more focused on form than character and the actual story feels a bit unoriginal. I'm not writing it off, but it's not my favorite
i’m not hooked but it’s probably a slow burn
I like it so far. The author is a talented writer, but like some others, I wasn’t the biggest Cowboy fan because of what’s already been stated (stripped backgrounds, couldn’t connect with that version of Shelby and Toni). I was a little nervous this would be similar with them both being superstars, but Shelby’s background is intact and will be explored it seems like so I’m interested in that.

That said, I am more than a little nervous that this will become a closeted Shelby hurts poor Toni fic. I don’t mind exploring Shelby’s complicated family history and being in the closet, but if it’s just painted so that Toni is the victim without much fault, to the point comments are being made that “Toni deserves better”, then that’s just going to be frustrating to read. I hope the story explores the faults and challenges Toni brings to the table as well and not just place the blame at Shelby’s feet.

I did have to do a double take when it was implied that Shelby’s character dated an Australian named Romey, for a second a thought it was implying she was dating Mia’s sister…. Which would’ve been too meta and weird for me.
Wow thanks

Re: The Wilds

by Guest » 24 Mar 2024, 15:41

GuestB wrote:
23 Mar 2024, 03:13
Gruest wrote:
21 Mar 2024, 15:30
Guest wrote:
21 Mar 2024, 02:29
Thoughts on Dear Reader… so far?
I normally enjoy Badmean's stuff and Dear Reader has SUCH a creative concept so massive kudos, but I'm finding it hard to get into. It feels a little more focused on form than character and the actual story feels a bit unoriginal. I'm not writing it off, but it's not my favorite
i’m not hooked but it’s probably a slow burn
I like it so far. The author is a talented writer, but like some others, I wasn’t the biggest Cowboy fan because of what’s already been stated (stripped backgrounds, couldn’t connect with that version of Shelby and Toni). I was a little nervous this would be similar with them both being superstars, but Shelby’s background is intact and will be explored it seems like so I’m interested in that.

That said, I am more than a little nervous that this will become a closeted Shelby hurts poor Toni fic. I don’t mind exploring Shelby’s complicated family history and being in the closet, but if it’s just painted so that Toni is the victim without much fault, to the point comments are being made that “Toni deserves better”, then that’s just going to be frustrating to read. I hope the story explores the faults and challenges Toni brings to the table as well and not just place the blame at Shelby’s feet.

I did have to do a double take when it was implied that Shelby’s character dated an Australian named Romey, for a second a thought it was implying she was dating Mia’s sister…. Which would’ve been too meta and weird for me.

Re: The Wilds

by GuestB » 23 Mar 2024, 03:13

Gruest wrote:
21 Mar 2024, 15:30
Guest wrote:
21 Mar 2024, 02:29
Thoughts on Dear Reader… so far?
I normally enjoy Badmean's stuff and Dear Reader has SUCH a creative concept so massive kudos, but I'm finding it hard to get into. It feels a little more focused on form than character and the actual story feels a bit unoriginal. I'm not writing it off, but it's not my favorite
i’m not hooked but it’s probably a slow burn

Re: The Wilds

by Gruest » 21 Mar 2024, 15:30

Guest wrote:
21 Mar 2024, 02:29
Thoughts on Dear Reader… so far?
I normally enjoy Badmean's stuff and Dear Reader has SUCH a creative concept so massive kudos, but I'm finding it hard to get into. It feels a little more focused on form than character and the actual story feels a bit unoriginal. I'm not writing it off, but it's not my favorite

Re: The Wilds

by Guest » 21 Mar 2024, 02:29

Thoughts on Dear Reader… so far?

Re: The Wilds

by Guest » 20 Mar 2024, 13:47

really loved the most recent chapter of lightning strikes twice.
i have loved their progression over this fic

Re: The Wilds

by Guest# » 19 Mar 2024, 11:42

Guest! wrote:
10 Mar 2024, 13:06
(Wnf wrote:
10 Mar 2024, 12:29
Guest! wrote:
10 Mar 2024, 03:30
Guest wrote:
10 Mar 2024, 01:39
Gueest wrote:
10 Mar 2024, 00:54
Is anyone reading the anon fic Wild at Heart? I just got caught up and I don't think I've ever read a fic that covers Shelby and Toni's issues so evenly before.

There was a fascinating argument in the comments of the last chapter that I'm interested in people's takes on. It feels like it made some Prince Toni fans uncomfortable but her characterization feels spot on. There's definitely a contingent of fans out there that don't like the idea that Toni can be flawed and still be likable and deserving of love at the same time. It makes me wonder how they watched the show honestly
I’m torn on that fic. I give them props for at least giving them both issues to contend with. But I don’t know, once Toni’s mistake was revealed, it didn’t feel justified. Like Shelby was provoking her leading up to that, so her outburst while not mature, wasn’t as earth shattering as it was made out to be. Fatin’s reaction feels way too strong and more concerningly one that she’s carried on for years, so Toni feels more like a victim in that scenario. It still feels like Shelby’s issues are heavier by wrongly accusing Toni of outing her and then Toni being the victim of being painted as the villain when she’s not.
i think Shelby and Fatin’s reactions were just. readers find it harder to give sympathy and empathyto Shelby.
Yes! I found Fatin's reaction completely just as well.

Can we talk about how this fandom is so ready to forgive Toni for actual physical violence against a partner and the complete refusal to give Shelby even half of that understanding? I have no idea where it comes from honestly
I think the fix that paint Shelby as the sole issue do a good job of moulding the general imagination that Shelby is bad and hurts Toni. Fanfic Shelby becomes Shelby Shelby
Just got caught up in this fic and i agree with everything said here. I'm totally on Fatin's side tbh, if one of my friend's went off on her ex's car like that she'd be dead to me forever. People let Toni off for the Regan thing wayy too easily. I had an abusive ex who would do stuff like that and it's terrifying

Re: The Wilds

by Guest » 18 Mar 2024, 23:41

phel wrote:
18 Mar 2024, 12:36
lmao just catching up after the weekend and I’m living for the drama. this fandom is my favorite

i can’t get over the person that wrote a fic off becasue the author isn’t sure what americans call primary school. i haven’t read the fic so maybe it’s mentioned a ton and could get annoying if you're from the us but it feels like a weird detail to not only quit reading something over but then go to also go to a whole separate forum to make fun of

so many people here are so mean for no reason i love it :nails:
I didn’t stop reading it because of the kindergarten thing. I was asking if that was the same fic because that’s the detail the stuck out to me the most about the fic. I stopped reading the fic because I couldn’t get into it.

If I stopped reading every fic that got American culture or grammar wrong there would hardly be any left because this fandom is majority non-Americans and it comes through with little details in fics. Not that it’s a bad thing, but it is something that I notice and takes me out of the fic a bit.

Re: The Wilds

by phel » 18 Mar 2024, 12:36

lmao just catching up after the weekend and I’m living for the drama. this fandom is my favorite

i can’t get over the person that wrote a fic off becasue the author isn’t sure what americans call primary school. i haven’t read the fic so maybe it’s mentioned a ton and could get annoying if you're from the us but it feels like a weird detail to not only quit reading something over but then go to also go to a whole separate forum to make fun of

so many people here are so mean for no reason i love it :nails:

Re: The Wilds

by Gueste » 17 Mar 2024, 18:14

Gu#est wrote:
17 Mar 2024, 12:03
Guest wrote:
17 Mar 2024, 02:48
GuestI wrote:
17 Mar 2024, 01:28
guest^ wrote:
17 Mar 2024, 00:21
aogos wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 23:05


There's a few things in that fic that make me think the author isn't american so they might be confused about a kindergarten/primary school difference. If that's what's holding you back from the fic that's strange but everyone has their own thing so no judgment

And how is the other fic wishy-washy? It seems really consistent with characterizations. I do find myself skipping over the non-Shoni stuff because it does talk a lot about the other characters and that's not my interest. Surprisingly I liked the Alex chapter though. I do find it a bit scattered at times but not wishy-washy (not sure what you mean here) I LOVED Shelby going off at them too tho
I'm assuming this person is talking about I Wish You Knew. It's one of the more stellar fics published in the last couple of years and whenever a popular, well written and well characterized fic gets put out you'll see this kind of non-specific comment that isn't able to point to anything specific to criticize

I remember this happening with Cowboy Like Me on here and there have been a few comments like this about IWYK already. It always smells like sour grapes from less popular authors but who knows

Like Cowboy, IWYK does well with showing the positive and negative sides of all characters, which is this forum's specific thorn in the paw. Also like Cowboy, it pays the most attention to Shelby's character development, which makes some people automatically hate fics because they don't like any criticism of Shelby's character even if it's respectful and focused on her growth. CLM and IWYK's authors don't criticize any character in them, but if another character dares to look at Shelby funny in a fic there's a certain someone on this forum that goes off

I'm loving all these fics mentioned so far. I can't comment on the divorce fic but IWYK, Lightning Strikes Twice, Wild at Heart and the superhero aus mentioned above are all unreal ongoing fics!
you lose me at claiming jealousy. ppl are allowed to like different stories and characterizations without being jealous of popular authors. CLM had a version of toni some ppl don’t like and it stripped sm of their canon backstories that made them who they are. bt most still said positive things about it 2
Yes, this is exactly the issues I had with CLM. I think badmeanburner is a very gifted writer. Even if I have issues with CLM, it was still incredibly well written fic. However, I still couldn't connect with this version of Shelby and Toni because of the stripped backgrounds and making the characters too perfect. For me, it suffered from the Mary-Sue effect, which is something that is a turnoff of for me whether it's fanfic or real fiction.

As for when I said "wishy-washy" for IWYK, maybe that isn't the best way to describe it. It just feels like the characters were constantly wavering on their feelings, sometimes within one sentence or paragraph. Like in the beginning, Toni and Dot have extreme hate for Shelby, but at the same time Toni says she wants people to talk about Shelby so they won't forget her, but then blows up when Marty or anyone tries to bring her up or defends her. Maybe that's meant to show the immaturity of the characters or the complexity of their feelings, but sometimes it feels a little helter-skelter when Toni is talking about how much she wants Shelby to stay, yet completely blows her off and shuts her out. However, I give the writer a lot of props and kudos for showing that Toni and Dot were not treating Shelby right and they she should be rightfully mad. It is a fic that I'm interested in seeing where it's going.
That totally makes sense and I agree that Toni is presented as not knowing what she thinks. I kind of like it for that reason actually because it shows how immature Toni is despite the way she thinks she's totally put together. I initially agreed with your thoughts on how flip-floppy Toni was at the beginning when she "hated" Shelby but now I feel like the earlier stuff was establishing that everyone was on some level aware of something being wrong but they had different ways of recognizing it and coping with not being able to get answers

The way that Toni later wants to quietly make things right while presenting herself as uncomplicated and therefore easy to love seems on brand for Toni in a few years and matches up with her canon fears. I LOVED the conversation that Shelby and Toni had in IWYK where Toni believes she was an abusive partner to both Regan and Shelby and then Shelby explains that good people take responsibility for their actions and try to be better. It doesn't let Toni off the hook but shows a lot of grace that Toni desperately needs

I'm also interested in seeing where it goes. I don't think it's in character for Shelby to hold it over their heads and make them grovel but I also don't think Toni or the others will let themselves off the hook. When Dot apologizes to Shelby it was exactly in character for both of them (when Shelby tries to downplay it and Dot forces her to hold her accountable for not trusting her). I'm hoping something similar happens when Toni inevitably apologizes
THANK YOU for mentioning Toni’s fear! That’s a big issue that I have with a lot of fics and it’s a reason I like IWYK.

A lot of Toni's confidence in canon came from the extreme of the island situation just like Shelby's confidence did. IMO the "i don't have it in me to be scared" speech would never be delivered by her in a different setting. The Regan incident(s) really scared her and that's clear with how she interacts with Martha in the cliff scene and in a few other places (like after she hits Shelby with the tree or when she removes herself after the blowup at the hot spring)

Not sure if other's have been loving the wild west AU fic as much as me, but I've been hoping that it will start looking more at Toni's fear because outlaw Toni is basically begging for a more complex personality. I think it's totally there though because she's so well written and I'm sure we'll see it in a few chapters :fingcross:

I like that there are a lot more fics recently that explore Toni's fear around relationships instead of just Shelby's more obvious fear. The way Toni's sometimes portrayed as purely confident can bother me bc it's very clear that her canon confidence is a front just like Shelby's pageant girl persona is, but it's either missed by some authors or too hard to write so they just don't

I like that IWYK goes there because at first I thought it wouldn't until her fear became a major focus of the fic. The boxing chapter was **chef's kiss*

Re: The Wilds

by Gu#est » 17 Mar 2024, 12:03

Guest wrote:
17 Mar 2024, 02:48
GuestI wrote:
17 Mar 2024, 01:28
guest^ wrote:
17 Mar 2024, 00:21
aogos wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 23:05
Guest wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 22:06


Is that the one that has Shoni’s daughter 8 years old but in kindergarten? Yeah, I couldn’t get into that one.

Good on them if they’re exploring Shelby being allowed to be hurt over something Toni did for once.

I’m also on the fence about the other fic with Shelby being shutout by the others with Gretchen going into phase three or whatever. Interesting concept. Glad Shelby isn’t the villain she is originally painted to be by the others, but I also hope she’s allowed to be BIG mad at the others for their treatment of her. That fic is a little wishy-washy for me. But I did like seeing Shelby go off on the others in the last chapter, because it was a long time coming. They would need to do a little more forgiveness work after that though.
There's a few things in that fic that make me think the author isn't american so they might be confused about a kindergarten/primary school difference. If that's what's holding you back from the fic that's strange but everyone has their own thing so no judgment

And how is the other fic wishy-washy? It seems really consistent with characterizations. I do find myself skipping over the non-Shoni stuff because it does talk a lot about the other characters and that's not my interest. Surprisingly I liked the Alex chapter though. I do find it a bit scattered at times but not wishy-washy (not sure what you mean here) I LOVED Shelby going off at them too tho
I'm assuming this person is talking about I Wish You Knew. It's one of the more stellar fics published in the last couple of years and whenever a popular, well written and well characterized fic gets put out you'll see this kind of non-specific comment that isn't able to point to anything specific to criticize

I remember this happening with Cowboy Like Me on here and there have been a few comments like this about IWYK already. It always smells like sour grapes from less popular authors but who knows

Like Cowboy, IWYK does well with showing the positive and negative sides of all characters, which is this forum's specific thorn in the paw. Also like Cowboy, it pays the most attention to Shelby's character development, which makes some people automatically hate fics because they don't like any criticism of Shelby's character even if it's respectful and focused on her growth. CLM and IWYK's authors don't criticize any character in them, but if another character dares to look at Shelby funny in a fic there's a certain someone on this forum that goes off

I'm loving all these fics mentioned so far. I can't comment on the divorce fic but IWYK, Lightning Strikes Twice, Wild at Heart and the superhero aus mentioned above are all unreal ongoing fics!
you lose me at claiming jealousy. ppl are allowed to like different stories and characterizations without being jealous of popular authors. CLM had a version of toni some ppl don’t like and it stripped sm of their canon backstories that made them who they are. bt most still said positive things about it 2
Yes, this is exactly the issues I had with CLM. I think badmeanburner is a very gifted writer. Even if I have issues with CLM, it was still incredibly well written fic. However, I still couldn't connect with this version of Shelby and Toni because of the stripped backgrounds and making the characters too perfect. For me, it suffered from the Mary-Sue effect, which is something that is a turnoff of for me whether it's fanfic or real fiction.

As for when I said "wishy-washy" for IWYK, maybe that isn't the best way to describe it. It just feels like the characters were constantly wavering on their feelings, sometimes within one sentence or paragraph. Like in the beginning, Toni and Dot have extreme hate for Shelby, but at the same time Toni says she wants people to talk about Shelby so they won't forget her, but then blows up when Marty or anyone tries to bring her up or defends her. Maybe that's meant to show the immaturity of the characters or the complexity of their feelings, but sometimes it feels a little helter-skelter when Toni is talking about how much she wants Shelby to stay, yet completely blows her off and shuts her out. However, I give the writer a lot of props and kudos for showing that Toni and Dot were not treating Shelby right and they she should be rightfully mad. It is a fic that I'm interested in seeing where it's going.
That totally makes sense and I agree that Toni is presented as not knowing what she thinks. I kind of like it for that reason actually because it shows how immature Toni is despite the way she thinks she's totally put together. I initially agreed with your thoughts on how flip-floppy Toni was at the beginning when she "hated" Shelby but now I feel like the earlier stuff was establishing that everyone was on some level aware of something being wrong but they had different ways of recognizing it and coping with not being able to get answers

The way that Toni later wants to quietly make things right while presenting herself as uncomplicated and therefore easy to love seems on brand for Toni in a few years and matches up with her canon fears. I LOVED the conversation that Shelby and Toni had in IWYK where Toni believes she was an abusive partner to both Regan and Shelby and then Shelby explains that good people take responsibility for their actions and try to be better. It doesn't let Toni off the hook but shows a lot of grace that Toni desperately needs

I'm also interested in seeing where it goes. I don't think it's in character for Shelby to hold it over their heads and make them grovel but I also don't think Toni or the others will let themselves off the hook. When Dot apologizes to Shelby it was exactly in character for both of them (when Shelby tries to downplay it and Dot forces her to hold her accountable for not trusting her). I'm hoping something similar happens when Toni inevitably apologizes

Re: The Wilds

by Guest » 17 Mar 2024, 02:48

GuestI wrote:
17 Mar 2024, 01:28
guest^ wrote:
17 Mar 2024, 00:21
aogos wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 23:05
Guest wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 22:06
aaguest wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 17:14


Same. It's also beautifully written. There are a few parts that feels like reading poetry

This fic is kind of destroying me but I love how it shows the aftermath and explores everyone's emotions.
Is that the one that has Shoni’s daughter 8 years old but in kindergarten? Yeah, I couldn’t get into that one.

Good on them if they’re exploring Shelby being allowed to be hurt over something Toni did for once.

I’m also on the fence about the other fic with Shelby being shutout by the others with Gretchen going into phase three or whatever. Interesting concept. Glad Shelby isn’t the villain she is originally painted to be by the others, but I also hope she’s allowed to be BIG mad at the others for their treatment of her. That fic is a little wishy-washy for me. But I did like seeing Shelby go off on the others in the last chapter, because it was a long time coming. They would need to do a little more forgiveness work after that though.
There's a few things in that fic that make me think the author isn't american so they might be confused about a kindergarten/primary school difference. If that's what's holding you back from the fic that's strange but everyone has their own thing so no judgment

And how is the other fic wishy-washy? It seems really consistent with characterizations. I do find myself skipping over the non-Shoni stuff because it does talk a lot about the other characters and that's not my interest. Surprisingly I liked the Alex chapter though. I do find it a bit scattered at times but not wishy-washy (not sure what you mean here) I LOVED Shelby going off at them too tho
I'm assuming this person is talking about I Wish You Knew. It's one of the more stellar fics published in the last couple of years and whenever a popular, well written and well characterized fic gets put out you'll see this kind of non-specific comment that isn't able to point to anything specific to criticize

I remember this happening with Cowboy Like Me on here and there have been a few comments like this about IWYK already. It always smells like sour grapes from less popular authors but who knows

Like Cowboy, IWYK does well with showing the positive and negative sides of all characters, which is this forum's specific thorn in the paw. Also like Cowboy, it pays the most attention to Shelby's character development, which makes some people automatically hate fics because they don't like any criticism of Shelby's character even if it's respectful and focused on her growth. CLM and IWYK's authors don't criticize any character in them, but if another character dares to look at Shelby funny in a fic there's a certain someone on this forum that goes off

I'm loving all these fics mentioned so far. I can't comment on the divorce fic but IWYK, Lightning Strikes Twice, Wild at Heart and the superhero aus mentioned above are all unreal ongoing fics!
you lose me at claiming jealousy. ppl are allowed to like different stories and characterizations without being jealous of popular authors. CLM had a version of toni some ppl don’t like and it stripped sm of their canon backstories that made them who they are. bt most still said positive things about it 2
Yes, this is exactly the issues I had with CLM. I think badmeanburner is a very gifted writer. Even if I have issues with CLM, it was still incredibly well written fic. However, I still couldn't connect with this version of Shelby and Toni because of the stripped backgrounds and making the characters too perfect. For me, it suffered from the Mary-Sue effect, which is something that is a turnoff of for me whether it's fanfic or real fiction.

As for when I said "wishy-washy" for IWYK, maybe that isn't the best way to describe it. It just feels like the characters were constantly wavering on their feelings, sometimes within one sentence or paragraph. Like in the beginning, Toni and Dot have extreme hate for Shelby, but at the same time Toni says she wants people to talk about Shelby so they won't forget her, but then blows up when Marty or anyone tries to bring her up or defends her. Maybe that's meant to show the immaturity of the characters or the complexity of their feelings, but sometimes it feels a little helter-skelter when Toni is talking about how much she wants Shelby to stay, yet completely blows her off and shuts her out. However, I give the writer a lot of props and kudos for showing that Toni and Dot were not treating Shelby right and they she should be rightfully mad. It is a fic that I'm interested in seeing where it's going.

Re: The Wilds

by gulst » 17 Mar 2024, 02:07

GuestI wrote:
17 Mar 2024, 01:28
guest^ wrote:
17 Mar 2024, 00:21
aogos wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 23:05
Guest wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 22:06
aaguest wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 17:14


Same. It's also beautifully written. There are a few parts that feels like reading poetry

This fic is kind of destroying me but I love how it shows the aftermath and explores everyone's emotions.
Is that the one that has Shoni’s daughter 8 years old but in kindergarten? Yeah, I couldn’t get into that one.

Good on them if they’re exploring Shelby being allowed to be hurt over something Toni did for once.

I’m also on the fence about the other fic with Shelby being shutout by the others with Gretchen going into phase three or whatever. Interesting concept. Glad Shelby isn’t the villain she is originally painted to be by the others, but I also hope she’s allowed to be BIG mad at the others for their treatment of her. That fic is a little wishy-washy for me. But I did like seeing Shelby go off on the others in the last chapter, because it was a long time coming. They would need to do a little more forgiveness work after that though.
There's a few things in that fic that make me think the author isn't american so they might be confused about a kindergarten/primary school difference. If that's what's holding you back from the fic that's strange but everyone has their own thing so no judgment

And how is the other fic wishy-washy? It seems really consistent with characterizations. I do find myself skipping over the non-Shoni stuff because it does talk a lot about the other characters and that's not my interest. Surprisingly I liked the Alex chapter though. I do find it a bit scattered at times but not wishy-washy (not sure what you mean here) I LOVED Shelby going off at them too tho
I'm assuming this person is talking about I Wish You Knew. It's one of the more stellar fics published in the last couple of years and whenever a popular, well written and well characterized fic gets put out you'll see this kind of non-specific comment that isn't able to point to anything specific to criticize

I remember this happening with Cowboy Like Me on here and there have been a few comments like this about IWYK already. It always smells like sour grapes from less popular authors but who knows

Like Cowboy, IWYK does well with showing the positive and negative sides of all characters, which is this forum's specific thorn in the paw. Also like Cowboy, it pays the most attention to Shelby's character development, which makes some people automatically hate fics because they don't like any criticism of Shelby's character even if it's respectful and focused on her growth. CLM and IWYK's authors don't criticize any character in them, but if another character dares to look at Shelby funny in a fic there's a certain someone on this forum that goes off

I'm loving all these fics mentioned so far. I can't comment on the divorce fic but IWYK, Lightning Strikes Twice, Wild at Heart and the superhero aus mentioned above are all unreal ongoing fics!
you lose me at claiming jealousy. ppl are allowed to like different stories and characterizations without being jealous of popular authors. CLM had a version of toni some ppl don’t like and it stripped sm of their canon backstories that made them who they are. bt most still said positive things about it 2
Its totally valid to not like characters backstories changed. I personally love CLM but I respect your specific issue with it.

My point was more around people offering vague criticism like calling a fic wishy-washy without offering a reason as to why you feel that way. It just feels like empty criticism without adding anything to the discussion

Honestly I'm not a big fan of criticizing fics in general bc why bother? People write this stuff for free and plenty of people like reading them (yes, even the Shelby's Diary one) If you don't like it don't read it and leave it alone for your own sake.

I feel bad for some of the authors if they've see some of the stuff people say about them here bc I'm sure they'd like to be a part of the fandom beyond A03 without seeing their writing trashed. I'm thinking specifically of the diary one bc its a favorite target on here but there are plenty that are disproportionately torn apart because of differences in interpretation of characters and scenes in canon

Re: The Wilds

by GuestI » 17 Mar 2024, 01:28

guest^ wrote:
17 Mar 2024, 00:21
aogos wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 23:05
Guest wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 22:06
aaguest wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 17:14
gulst wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 16:31


Yes! I'm really liking it but it's sooo heavy. I like it when Shoni fics get darker and Shelby going back to her parents and Toni lashing out feels authentic in that position

It all feels so respectful of what happened with
without placing blame or judgement on Shelby or on Toni and as someone who has been there it's really accurate to what
is like (at least for me)
Same. It's also beautifully written. There are a few parts that feels like reading poetry

This fic is kind of destroying me but I love how it shows the aftermath and explores everyone's emotions.
Is that the one that has Shoni’s daughter 8 years old but in kindergarten? Yeah, I couldn’t get into that one.

Good on them if they’re exploring Shelby being allowed to be hurt over something Toni did for once.

I’m also on the fence about the other fic with Shelby being shutout by the others with Gretchen going into phase three or whatever. Interesting concept. Glad Shelby isn’t the villain she is originally painted to be by the others, but I also hope she’s allowed to be BIG mad at the others for their treatment of her. That fic is a little wishy-washy for me. But I did like seeing Shelby go off on the others in the last chapter, because it was a long time coming. They would need to do a little more forgiveness work after that though.
There's a few things in that fic that make me think the author isn't american so they might be confused about a kindergarten/primary school difference. If that's what's holding you back from the fic that's strange but everyone has their own thing so no judgment

And how is the other fic wishy-washy? It seems really consistent with characterizations. I do find myself skipping over the non-Shoni stuff because it does talk a lot about the other characters and that's not my interest. Surprisingly I liked the Alex chapter though. I do find it a bit scattered at times but not wishy-washy (not sure what you mean here) I LOVED Shelby going off at them too tho
I'm assuming this person is talking about I Wish You Knew. It's one of the more stellar fics published in the last couple of years and whenever a popular, well written and well characterized fic gets put out you'll see this kind of non-specific comment that isn't able to point to anything specific to criticize

I remember this happening with Cowboy Like Me on here and there have been a few comments like this about IWYK already. It always smells like sour grapes from less popular authors but who knows

Like Cowboy, IWYK does well with showing the positive and negative sides of all characters, which is this forum's specific thorn in the paw. Also like Cowboy, it pays the most attention to Shelby's character development, which makes some people automatically hate fics because they don't like any criticism of Shelby's character even if it's respectful and focused on her growth. CLM and IWYK's authors don't criticize any character in them, but if another character dares to look at Shelby funny in a fic there's a certain someone on this forum that goes off

I'm loving all these fics mentioned so far. I can't comment on the divorce fic but IWYK, Lightning Strikes Twice, Wild at Heart and the superhero aus mentioned above are all unreal ongoing fics!
you lose me at claiming jealousy. ppl are allowed to like different stories and characterizations without being jealous of popular authors. CLM had a version of toni some ppl don’t like and it stripped sm of their canon backstories that made them who they are. bt most still said positive things about it 2

Re: The Wilds

by guest^ » 17 Mar 2024, 00:21

aogos wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 23:05
Guest wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 22:06
aaguest wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 17:14
gulst wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 16:31
Guest? wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 15:49
is anyone reading the anonymous shoni divorce/kid with cancer fic that been updating a ton?
Yes! I'm really liking it but it's sooo heavy. I like it when Shoni fics get darker and Shelby going back to her parents and Toni lashing out feels authentic in that position

It all feels so respectful of what happened with
without placing blame or judgement on Shelby or on Toni and as someone who has been there it's really accurate to what
is like (at least for me)
Same. It's also beautifully written. There are a few parts that feels like reading poetry

This fic is kind of destroying me but I love how it shows the aftermath and explores everyone's emotions.
Is that the one that has Shoni’s daughter 8 years old but in kindergarten? Yeah, I couldn’t get into that one.

Good on them if they’re exploring Shelby being allowed to be hurt over something Toni did for once.

I’m also on the fence about the other fic with Shelby being shutout by the others with Gretchen going into phase three or whatever. Interesting concept. Glad Shelby isn’t the villain she is originally painted to be by the others, but I also hope she’s allowed to be BIG mad at the others for their treatment of her. That fic is a little wishy-washy for me. But I did like seeing Shelby go off on the others in the last chapter, because it was a long time coming. They would need to do a little more forgiveness work after that though.
There's a few things in that fic that make me think the author isn't american so they might be confused about a kindergarten/primary school difference. If that's what's holding you back from the fic that's strange but everyone has their own thing so no judgment

And how is the other fic wishy-washy? It seems really consistent with characterizations. I do find myself skipping over the non-Shoni stuff because it does talk a lot about the other characters and that's not my interest. Surprisingly I liked the Alex chapter though. I do find it a bit scattered at times but not wishy-washy (not sure what you mean here) I LOVED Shelby going off at them too tho
I'm assuming this person is talking about I Wish You Knew. It's one of the more stellar fics published in the last couple of years and whenever a popular, well written and well characterized fic gets put out you'll see this kind of non-specific comment that isn't able to point to anything specific to criticize

I remember this happening with Cowboy Like Me on here and there have been a few comments like this about IWYK already. It always smells like sour grapes from less popular authors but who knows

Like Cowboy, IWYK does well with showing the positive and negative sides of all characters, which is this forum's specific thorn in the paw. Also like Cowboy, it pays the most attention to Shelby's character development, which makes some people automatically hate fics because they don't like any criticism of Shelby's character even if it's respectful and focused on her growth. CLM and IWYK's authors don't criticize any character in them, but if another character dares to look at Shelby funny in a fic there's a certain someone on this forum that goes off

I'm loving all these fics mentioned so far. I can't comment on the divorce fic but IWYK, Lightning Strikes Twice, Wild at Heart and the superhero aus mentioned above are all unreal ongoing fics!

Re: The Wilds

by aogos » 16 Mar 2024, 23:05

Guest wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 22:06
aaguest wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 17:14
gulst wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 16:31
Guest? wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 15:49
is anyone reading the anonymous shoni divorce/kid with cancer fic that been updating a ton?
Yes! I'm really liking it but it's sooo heavy. I like it when Shoni fics get darker and Shelby going back to her parents and Toni lashing out feels authentic in that position

It all feels so respectful of what happened with
without placing blame or judgement on Shelby or on Toni and as someone who has been there it's really accurate to what
is like (at least for me)
Same. It's also beautifully written. There are a few parts that feels like reading poetry

This fic is kind of destroying me but I love how it shows the aftermath and explores everyone's emotions.
Is that the one that has Shoni’s daughter 8 years old but in kindergarten? Yeah, I couldn’t get into that one.

Good on them if they’re exploring Shelby being allowed to be hurt over something Toni did for once.

I’m also on the fence about the other fic with Shelby being shutout by the others with Gretchen going into phase three or whatever. Interesting concept. Glad Shelby isn’t the villain she is originally painted to be by the others, but I also hope she’s allowed to be BIG mad at the others for their treatment of her. That fic is a little wishy-washy for me. But I did like seeing Shelby go off on the others in the last chapter, because it was a long time coming. They would need to do a little more forgiveness work after that though.
There's a few things in that fic that make me think the author isn't american so they might be confused about a kindergarten/primary school difference. If that's what's holding you back from the fic that's strange but everyone has their own thing so no judgment

And how is the other fic wishy-washy? It seems really consistent with characterizations. I do find myself skipping over the non-Shoni stuff because it does talk a lot about the other characters and that's not my interest. Surprisingly I liked the Alex chapter though. I do find it a bit scattered at times but not wishy-washy (not sure what you mean here) I LOVED Shelby going off at them too tho

Re: The Wilds

by Guest » 16 Mar 2024, 22:06

aaguest wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 17:14
gulst wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 16:31
Guest? wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 15:49
is anyone reading the anonymous shoni divorce/kid with cancer fic that been updating a ton?
Yes! I'm really liking it but it's sooo heavy. I like it when Shoni fics get darker and Shelby going back to her parents and Toni lashing out feels authentic in that position

It all feels so respectful of what happened with
without placing blame or judgement on Shelby or on Toni and as someone who has been there it's really accurate to what
is like (at least for me)
Same. It's also beautifully written. There are a few parts that feels like reading poetry

This fic is kind of destroying me but I love how it shows the aftermath and explores everyone's emotions.
Is that the one that has Shoni’s daughter 8 years old but in kindergarten? Yeah, I couldn’t get into that one.

Good on them if they’re exploring Shelby being allowed to be hurt over something Toni did for once.

I’m also on the fence about the other fic with Shelby being shutout by the others with Gretchen going into phase three or whatever. Interesting concept. Glad Shelby isn’t the villain she is originally painted to be by the others, but I also hope she’s allowed to be BIG mad at the others for their treatment of her. That fic is a little wishy-washy for me. But I did like seeing Shelby go off on the others in the last chapter, because it was a long time coming. They would need to do a little more forgiveness work after that though.

Re: The Wilds

by aaguest » 16 Mar 2024, 17:14

gulst wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 16:31
Guest? wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 15:49
is anyone reading the anonymous shoni divorce/kid with cancer fic that been updating a ton?
Yes! I'm really liking it but it's sooo heavy. I like it when Shoni fics get darker and Shelby going back to her parents and Toni lashing out feels authentic in that position

It all feels so respectful of what happened with
without placing blame or judgement on Shelby or on Toni and as someone who has been there it's really accurate to what
is like (at least for me)
Same. It's also beautifully written. There are a few parts that feels like reading poetry

This fic is kind of destroying me but I love how it shows the aftermath and explores everyone's emotions.

Re: The Wilds

by gulst » 16 Mar 2024, 16:31

Guest? wrote:
16 Mar 2024, 15:49
is anyone reading the anonymous shoni divorce/kid with cancer fic that been updating a ton?
Yes! I'm really liking it but it's sooo heavy. I like it when Shoni fics get darker and Shelby going back to her parents and Toni lashing out feels authentic in that position

It all feels so respectful of what happened with
without placing blame or judgement on Shelby or on Toni and as someone who has been there it's really accurate to what
is like (at least for me)

Re: The Wilds

by Guest? » 16 Mar 2024, 15:49

is anyone reading the anonymous shoni divorce/kid with cancer fic that been updating a ton?

Re: The Wilds

by gwest » 15 Mar 2024, 22:12

Guest wrote:
14 Mar 2024, 23:57
Guest!! wrote:
14 Mar 2024, 11:20


both of the ongoing superhero fics (the Spiderman and Buffy AUs) have Shelby as the superhero and that's amazing. (side note, I never understood why superhero fics always cast Toni as the person with the secret identity who saved Shelby's life when it's literally canon that Shelby hides her true self and saves Toni's life)

That's a great point. I think they both work as superheroes, but it is surprising we haven't see Shelby as one before these two (unless I'm forgetting any). A secret identity really is kind of perfect for her. (Enjoying both of these fics btw)
I'm enjoying these as well! I used to write superhero fics off but honestly I've never seen a bad one. The two you mentioned here really knock it out of the park and they don't take themselves seriously at all, which a superhero AU really can't. They both lean into their respective tropes in really campy, fun ways and I love it

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