by Guest » 29 Jan 2024, 10:06
cllbm123- wrote: ↑18 Jan 2024, 17:36
Guest wrote: ↑18 Jan 2024, 17:18
cllbm123- wrote: ↑18 Jan 2024, 17:06
Guest wrote: ↑18 Jan 2024, 16:50
Guest wrote: ↑18 Jan 2024, 14:34
I agree with you. If a woman said sex was meh with a man, then that invalidates lesbians. I agree, lesbian's do not feel sexually/romantically attracted to men. at all.
I have sympathy for the cases where women choose to sleep with men (in their self discovery age) for all of the wrong reasons (and none of them are bc they want to connect sexually and romantically with them) it almost feels like self harm.
The women who say you never tried with a man and maybe you will.. I agree with you, that is very toxic and harmful for a lesbian to hear, and it causes me stress and frustration bc lesbians cannot feel attraction to men, and I get angry that people think that could change. Lesbians are not fluid.
What I wrote was definitely homophobic. The whole behavior of TRYING with a man when you are a lesbian is insanely homophobic and sad. I hate that it exists
The thing is, how are you going to proof this? How do you know it was self harm and not them now saying it was, cause most sex with men is bad. Literally look at the reddit post just shared, that bi woman made up a whole story how she was a lesbian and how her sex with men (which even resulted in two children), was her being taken advantage off and bla bla. She even shit on OP, who said she never beenn with men, when OP told her she once Ided as bisexual before. Yet she still wanted to go to a sex club to fuck men again.
Having the need to explore once sexuality with men, is not lesbian behavior, i know no actual lesbian who was ever interested to fuck a bunch of dudes. If the sex was traumatizing you dont do it a bunch of times with a bunch of men.
To be honest, I started reading it and once I saw "she had kids" I stopped bc I don't believe that to be a lesbian. My sympathy is for the women who had sexual experiences during their discovery age with one or a handful of guys as a result of homophobia in an attempt to try to be "normal". And their reaction to each time was harmful and depressive. I guess it can't be proven that it is the case. I think women like the example above ruin it for the actual lesbians who fall victim to the desire to be "normal" (and not the desire for men)
I agree if it were traumatizing you wouldn't do it again and again. I'm understanding to a degree. If a woman was in a longterm relationship with a guy, I think that's insane and she probably isn't a lesbian. I would hate to pull an actual lesbian's Lesbian Card for what she tried to feel, but could not, during her self discovery age. I would need to believe she is authentic when she says she did not feel any connection with a guy, and that she has 0 desire to keep trying to find a connection.
And what is the difference between these women and the woman in the reddit story? Even your fist time with a man can result in a child and that woman in the reddit story also said she was actually a lesbian and she was just taken advantage off by those men, so whats the difference? You can only ever go with what they tell you. Fact is they slept with men and obviously if sex with men is traumatizing you dont do it all the time with multiple ones. How they felt about the sex could be the truth, a lie, how they retroactively feel about it and on and on. You never know and you also never know if they dont get back to men at some point and then again they feed the dangerous notions that lesbians can "change" and find the right man and so on.
The question is, why is it even important to give them a lesbian card in the first place? Why not let them be febfems or just bis who are mainly into women.
Why do we lesbians, need to analyze how these women felt about fucking males, when we could just go by the facts and say, you aint a lesbian if you willingly fucked men?
I hear what you're saying - I get that. I guess
kids do stupid things when they're young and I'm open to allowing for some grace there. There's a very specific criteria for when it makes sense to me. and I agree we shouldn't have to do a math equation to figure out who is and who isn't a lesbian. I wish women didn't identify as a lesbian when they are actually on a spectrum, it muddies the water for ACTUAL unfortunate situations.
And the notion that lesbians can "change" is dangerous. If you have the ability to change, you are not a lesbian. I agree with that.
da homosexual kids don't sleep with the opposite sex. Again: homosexuality is innate and fixed. Why on earth should the past not matter? It all comes down to one thing, that is that you are desperate to increase homosexual women's numbers. And because of that, you are willing to let bisexuals infiltrate instead of putting your foot down. You are also contradicting yourself because if you can change your sexuality, then you aren't gay so if you can sleep with a man as a teen, then claim you are a lesbian later, you have effectively 'changed' your sexuality.
Anyway, lesbians do not sleep with men. Not once, not ever. It's simple, really.
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I agree with you. If a woman said sex was meh with a man, then that invalidates lesbians. I agree, lesbian's do not feel sexually/romantically attracted to men. at all.[b] I have sympathy for the cases where women choose to sleep with men (in their self discovery age) for all of the wrong reasons (and none of them are bc they want to connect sexually and romantically with them) it almost feels like self harm. [/b]
The women who say you never tried with a man and maybe you will.. I agree with you, that is very toxic and harmful for a lesbian to hear, and it causes me stress and frustration bc lesbians cannot feel attraction to men, and I get angry that people think that could change. Lesbians are not fluid.
What I wrote was definitely homophobic. The whole behavior of TRYING with a man when you are a lesbian is insanely homophobic and sad. I hate that it exists
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The thing is, how are you going to proof this? How do you know it was self harm and not them now saying it was, cause most sex with men is bad. Literally look at the reddit post just shared, that bi woman made up a whole story how she was a lesbian and how her sex with men (which even resulted in two children), was her being taken advantage off and bla bla. She even shit on OP, who said she never beenn with men, when OP told her she once Ided as bisexual before. Yet she still wanted to go to a sex club to fuck men again.
Having the need to explore once sexuality with men, is not lesbian behavior, i know no actual lesbian who was ever interested to fuck a bunch of dudes. If the sex was traumatizing you dont do it a bunch of times with a bunch of men.
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To be honest, I started reading it and once I saw "she had kids" I stopped bc I don't believe that to be a lesbian. My sympathy is for the women who had sexual experiences during their discovery age with one or a handful of guys as a result of homophobia in an attempt to try to be "normal". And their reaction to each time was harmful and depressive. I guess it can't be proven that it is the case. I think women like the example above ruin it for the actual lesbians who fall victim to the desire to be "normal" (and not the desire for men)
I agree if it were traumatizing you wouldn't do it again and again. I'm understanding to a degree. If a woman was in a longterm relationship with a guy, I think that's insane and she probably isn't a lesbian. I would hate to pull an actual lesbian's Lesbian Card for what she tried to feel, but could not, during her self discovery age. I would need to believe she is authentic when she says she did not feel any connection with a guy, and that she has 0 desire to keep trying to find a connection.
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And what is the difference between these women and the woman in the reddit story? Even your fist time with a man can result in a child and that woman in the reddit story also said she was actually a lesbian and she was just taken advantage off by those men, so whats the difference? You can only ever go with what they tell you. Fact is they slept with men and obviously if sex with men is traumatizing you dont do it all the time with multiple ones. How they felt about the sex could be the truth, a lie, how they retroactively feel about it and on and on. You never know and you also never know if they dont get back to men at some point and then again they feed the dangerous notions that lesbians can "change" and find the right man and so on.
The question is, why is it even important to give them a lesbian card in the first place? Why not let them be febfems or just bis who are mainly into women. [b]Why do we lesbians, need to analyze how these women felt about fucking males[/b], when we could just go by the facts and say, you aint a lesbian if you willingly fucked men?
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I hear what you're saying - I get that. I guess [b]kids do stupid things[/b] when they're young and I'm open to allowing for some grace there. There's a very specific criteria for when it makes sense to me. and I agree we shouldn't have to do a math equation to figure out who is and who isn't a lesbian. I wish women didn't identify as a lesbian when they are actually on a spectrum, it muddies the water for ACTUAL unfortunate situations.
And the notion that lesbians can "change" is dangerous. If you have the ability to change, you are not a lesbian. I agree with that.
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da homosexual kids don't sleep with the opposite sex. Again: homosexuality is innate and fixed. Why on earth should the past not matter? It all comes down to one thing, that is that you are desperate to increase homosexual women's numbers. And because of that, you are willing to let bisexuals infiltrate instead of putting your foot down. You are also contradicting yourself because if you can change your sexuality, then you aren't gay so if you can sleep with a man as a teen, then claim you are a lesbian later, you have effectively 'changed' your sexuality.
Anyway, lesbians do not sleep with men. Not once, not ever. It's simple, really.